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Red
-8th February 2008, 23:17
Poule results are up,

38 - LBW 4/6
39 - Jojo 4/6
57 - Ashton 3/6
59 - Chrystall 3/6
60 - Lacheta 3/6
89 - Jane H 2/6
120 - McCombie 0/6

(122 in the poules)

http://www.escrime-orleans.org/coupedumonde_2008/classement_poules_2008.php


No info on the preliminary DE on there though.

hokers
-9th February 2008, 19:01
Still no final results or tableau up that I can find using bad french language skills.

Anyone know results?

GKB
-9th February 2008, 22:30
I only have a little information, but here it is...

L128

LBW beat Nicoll
JoJo beat Jenna

L64

LBW lost to Nagy
JoJo WON against Perrus:) Well done, Jo!

JoJo L32, LBW L64, shame about the draw yet again :(

Mr long sword
-10th February 2008, 09:41
Well done Jo 'malone' Hutch...
Another great win under your breeches...!

vil
-10th February 2008, 09:42
The tableau is up now, excluding the last 8. From a comment elsewhere on the site, Rebecca Ward won the final 15-13 against Sada Jacobson.

Actually, I've just noticed: there's already loads of pictures and videos from the event on the fencingchannel.tv (http://www.fencingchannel.com/cms/08fra-womens-sabre-gp.html) website

Young miss Ward has had a flying start to her season, winning two GPs on the trot!

pinkelephant
-10th February 2008, 18:55
Full results on FIE website

UglyBug
-11th February 2008, 11:32
The tableau is up now, excluding the last 8. From a comment elsewhere on the site, Rebecca Ward won the final 15-13 against Sada Jacobson.

Actually, I've just noticed: there's already loads of pictures and videos from the event on the fencingchannel.tv (http://www.fencingchannel.com/cms/08fra-womens-sabre-gp.html) website

Young miss Ward has had a flying start to her season, winning two GPs on the trot!

London wasn't a GP - just felt like it!! Thought Orleans was the first GP of the season?

Anyway, does Jo-Jo's L32 mean she and LBW swap #1 or is LBW too far ahead?

pigeonmeister
-11th February 2008, 12:25
Am a right in believing that the number one spot is very significant as only one British fencer can attend the European zonal qualifiers in Turkey, in April?

Red
-11th February 2008, 12:30
London wasn't a GP - just felt like it!! Thought Orleans was the first GP of the season?

Anyway, does Jo-Jo's L32 mean she and LBW swap #1 or is LBW too far ahead?

Depends on Budapest, but at the moment LBW should be ahead by at least 1500 points (disregarding last year's Budapest results).

Pige - The number one spot doesn't matter. The results at the eight nominated competitions does (Orleans was one of them).

pigeonmeister
-11th February 2008, 12:40
Sorry, I was just going from what Jo Hutch mentioned on her BBC blog.

She only mentions 4 comps before the zonal qualifiers. They are:

Orleans Grand Prix World Cup, France > 8th-10th Feb
Budapest World Cup, Hungary > 23rd-24th Feb
Madrid World Cup, Spain > 1st–2nd March
Lamezia Terme Grand Prix World Cup, Italy > 14–16th March

So is it whoever is higher in the FIE rankings- how do they actually decide/calculate which British fencer can go to Istanbul?

Red
-11th February 2008, 12:50
Five have already happened - Tainjin, Las Vegas, Europeans, Worlds, Orleans

Whoever is highest on a ranking based on the eight competitions goes - FIE and GBR ranking don't come into it.
Full gory details for all weapons on this link - http://www.britishfencing.com/British_Fencing.asp?PageID=855

UglyBug
-11th February 2008, 12:51
There is a little Olympic qualifying table in its own right... basically whoever is highest following results scored at the nominated events. London wasn't nominated, Orleans is... full instructions below

http://www.britishfencing.com/British_Fencing.asp?PageID=855

pigeonmeister
-11th February 2008, 16:13
Sorry for testing your patience,

But, assuming that qualification through team or ranking is ruled out, where would our WS's have to finish at the zonal qualifiers (top 2?)

Red
-11th February 2008, 17:13
In the team events - 8 teams, those teams then make up 24 of the individual entries. So I'd assume the further 12 places get split with 2 with 2 per zone. Europe may get more if Oceania gets lumped in with Asia or North and South America count as one.

You aren't testing patience at all.

Red
-11th February 2008, 17:31
Ignore my last post...

Teams qualify by top four in FIE ranking followed by the best of the rest from each zone (Europe, Africa, Asia/Oceania and America).

For each individual event with a team event (max of 39 + entries from host, 3 per nation);
Everyone in the team,
The three best individuals from the adjusted ranking,
The next best by zone - (Europe 2, Asia/Oceania 1, Africa 1, America 2 - 1 per nation),
The 5 best from the zonal qualifiers (Europe 2, A/O 1, Africa 1, America 1 - 1 per nation)

The other team events (max of 24 entries + host entries, 2 entries per nation);
World top 8,
The next 8 best in adjusted ranking by zone (Europe 3, A/O 2, Africa 1, America 2);
The best 8 from zonal qualifiers (Europe 2, A/O 2, Africa 1, America 2 - 1 per nation - only open to those nations without any qualified fencers)

So to answer your question, our WS have to be in the top 5 teams to guarantee selection, finish 2nd or higher in the zonal qualifier or be highly ranked.

Louise is currently (4/2/08) two places away from qualification by ranking.

Red
-11th February 2008, 17:41
Adjusted FIE ranking for ME, MS, WS, WF is here - http://fie.ch/download/homepage/fr/SF%20SM%20%20EM%20FF%20Qualification%20Individuell e%20Provisoire.pdf

For MF and WE - http://fie.ch/download/homepage/fr/FM%20EF%20Qualification%20Individuelle%20Provisoir e.pdf

For team ME, MS, WS, WF - http://fie.ch/download/homepage/fr/SF%20SM%20FF%20EM%20Qualification%20par%20Equipes% 20Provisoire.pdf

Red signifies that that fencer is in a qualifying position. On the team, green means that that team is a provisional zonal qualifier.

pigeonmeister
-11th February 2008, 18:37
Thanks for spelling it out, Red.

I'd feel a bit hard done by if I was Cassara- 3rd in 2004 and now 6th in the world- shut out of the Olympics! Likely to be replaced by a Tunisian or Egyptian ranked about 40th. In fact 6 out of top 20 are not going in MF.

So basically...

Bennet is the only ME qualified to even enter ME zonal qualifiers-and will have to come at least 2nd to go to Beijing.

Jo Hutch has to either go on a run that sees her jump over 30 places in 3 competitions. Or hope LBW qualifies outright- and then come at least 2nd at Zonal qualifiers.

Kruse has to move up 4 places in the rankings or medal at zonals.

LBW has to move up 2 places or win at least silver at zonals.

MS, WF, ME- out of the running completely.

UglyBug
-11th February 2008, 20:07
If LBW qualifies outright, then GBR doesn't get a spot at the zonals for Jo to go into.

Red
-11th February 2008, 20:20
The other team events (max of 24 entries + host entries, 2 entries per nation);
World top 8,
The next 8 best in adjusted ranking by zone (Europe 3, A/O 2, Africa 1, America 2);
The best 8 from zonal qualifiers (Europe 3, A/O 2, Africa 1, America 2 - 1 per nation - only open to those nations without any qualified fencers)


Oops - mistake corrected in bold.

hokers
-11th February 2008, 22:00
As I'[ve said before, this system of selection is bloody stupid.

Top 10 fencers not going because their team is in a difficult zone, but teams in easy zones sending a team of low(er)-ranked fencers.

Why should team ranking affect individual qualification?

Red
-11th February 2008, 23:15
As I'[ve said before, this system of selection is bloody stupid.

Top 10 fencers not going because their team is in a difficult zone, but teams in easy zones sending a team of low(er)-ranked fencers.

Why should team ranking affect individual qualification?

Because the Olympic Games isn't about sporting excellence at all?
http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/movement/index_uk.asp

It's more about socialism than anything remotely sporting...


Olympism is a state of mind based on equality of sports which are international and democratic.

It is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind.

The goal of the Olympic Movement is to contribute to building a peaceful and better world by educating youth through sport practised without discrimination or any kind, in a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play.

The Olympic Movement is defined also by the numerous activities in which it engages, such as:
- Promoting sport and competitions through the intermediary of national and international sports institutions world-wide.
- Cooperation with public and private organisations to place sport at the service of mankind.
- Assistance to develop "Sport for All".
- Advancement of women in sport at all levels and in all structures, with a view to achieving equality between men and women.
- Opposition to all forms of commercial exploitation of sport and athletes.
- The fight against doping.
- Promoting sports ethics and fair play.
- Raising awareness of environmental problems.
- Financial and educational support for developing countries through the IOC institution Olympic Solidarity.

cesh_fencing
-11th February 2008, 23:42
At least the system is transparent and published.

Obviously it does not seem fair that the top ranked fencers do not qualify, but it is to make the event include athletes from across the world (even if some do not really reach the correct standard).

But what can be said by us as GBR selection rules mean that those 'selected' for Olympic Pathway etc get priority for Euro & World Championships over higher ranked fencers (when selection for pathway was never published or particularily transparent).

Cuppa
-12th February 2008, 12:16
At least the system is transparent and published.

Obviously it does not seem fair that the top ranked fencers do not qualify, but it is to make the event include athletes from across the world (even if some do not really reach the correct standard).

But what can be said by us as GBR selection rules mean that those 'selected' for Olympic Pathway etc get priority for Euro & World Championships over higher ranked fencers (when selection for pathway was never published or particularily transparent).

The system is trasparent but the reality aint!! Some people are willing to pay a hefty price for a place in the Olympics!

hokers
-12th February 2008, 12:19
OOO! Harsh but fair I reckon Chris.

FencingMomma
-7th March 2008, 03:46
The system is trasparent but the reality aint!! Some people are willing to pay a hefty price for a place in the Olympics!

Didn't you know?? That is because the Olympics is not a sporting event, it is a pop culture event.

"“The Olympics to us is very much a pop culture event. I despise when people refer to it as a ‘sporting event,’” he added. “It’s an event. It’s so much more than the actual field of play. People from around the entire world are in one place for two weeks. The pop culture element is terrific for the Games.”

For entire story read:http://www.theheraldbulletin.com/cnhi/heraldbulletin/homepage/cnhins2006winterolympics_story_048142253.html?keyw ord=leadpicturestory
I just couldn't believe this article when I read it.
Wow, not a sporting event...
FM