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septic_belgian
-23rd July 2008, 12:25
Has anyone managed to find schedules of when the fencing will be televised in the UK, preferabby on the BBC, as we have freeview without Eurosport. Alternatively if anyone has suggestions for sites with on-line streaming that would be great. :cool:

FoilyDeath
-23rd July 2008, 12:56
I suspect it will be pretty hard to get ahold of that footage, as fencing doesn't usually get any coverage in the UK unless a fencer does extraordinarily well, and the usual fencing web streaming sites, WCSN and fencingchannel, don't have the rights to distribute Olympic footage...I think. I could be wrong mind you, but I think your best chance is probably to hope somebody in Italy or France uploads their television coverage on youtube and the like

FoilyDeath
-23rd July 2008, 13:29
This link has info about BBC Olympics coverage, and the full schedule is expected on the 2nd of August.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/7102062.stm

hokers
-23rd July 2008, 14:04
"Our interactive air time will be upped from 1,000 hours of coverage at the Athens Olympics to 2,450 hours in China giving you the chance to watch uninterrupted coverage of your favourite sports"

2450 hours of content or the app will be available 24 hours a day for 102 days?

Sounds like content, which would be a seriously impressive total, and more than anyone has PVR hard drive space for. Bet there's still under an hour of fencing on BBC. Also bet that Eurosport has James Chambers commentating :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Swords Crossed
-23rd July 2008, 14:47
Bet there's still under an hour of fencing on BBC.

You never no, the controller of programming might fancy broadcasting something a bit different on BBC1 at prime time. I also hear that Team GB are travelling business class on "Porcine Airways".

Marcos
-23rd July 2008, 15:01
hopefully we'll get all the GBR bouts on BBC digital

...just press the red button....:)

Barry Paul
-24th July 2008, 17:24
What are my options. I just have freeview set box and a flaky high speed line at home and a high speed line at work.

Who is televising fencing? When? Is the F.I.E. laying on any video feed?

Peter Pan
-24th July 2008, 18:26
Wasn't there a lot of streamed coverage on RAI's (Italian TV) website http://www.rai.it/ from Athens?

Maybe Helen Mulrine could advise?

Gav
-24th July 2008, 21:44
As far as I know the Rai streams are dead (paging italians...).

Here's what I put on another forum:

Barry,

I'm going to be in Hungary at Kate Smith's training camp. I can't promise a live feed but I'll see if I can get a tape sorted from the Hungarian footage.

It also occurs to me that UK Eurosport showed fencing recently (the normal Eurosport feed if memory serves). You should be able to get that on Freeview.

Guys in general,

Ideally what we should be looking for is a feed akin to the Italian feeds we got last time around. As far as I know those feeds are now dead. All help will be appreciated.

For internet telly: check out Zatoo* (though amongst the foreign channels I am not sure if fencing is going to be shown) and the various TV sites and providers we must be able to get something.
Would anyone who can speak other languages (e.g. French, Italian Russian) be willing to trawl the sites? I find translation services to be almost as much of a hinderence as not being able to read the relavent language.

* I don't own a telly so if I want to watch telly I use Zattoo. I find their channel guide to be moderately hopeless, though the streams are good.

TomA
-24th July 2008, 22:05
TV5 (French national tv channel) has the fencing in its events schedule. They appear to be keeping mum about which bits they're showing and which they're not, but as fencing is on the front of their olympic page, I'm guessing they intend to show it at some point. It's a channel available through Sky (7-800s) and I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if I can find any more info about the schedule.

If the beeb is anything to go by though, we might be waiting a while!!!

TomA
-24th July 2008, 22:12
Just checked again - TV5 don't seem to publish their broadcasting schedule more than a week in advance, but it should all be here

http://www.tv5.fr/TV5Site/programmes/guide_programmes.php

a week beforehand. There's a pseudo-english version if you can't quite make sense of the french version. :)

Insipiens
-25th July 2008, 06:17
On Fencing.net somene from Sweden posted the following about a website that appears to be streaming some fencing (no commentary)

http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread36974.html#post709582


10 hours of free fencing coverage during the OG
Hi!


The descriptions on the website of the Swedish National TV are not well written, but click on:
http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=94663&a=1175439 (http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=94663&a=1175439)

(The times listed on that page refer to Swedish time, which is 1 hour before Greenwich Mean Time. In Sweden, the AM/PM system is never used, almost all written mentions of time uses the 24 hour system, i.e. 13:15 would mean quarter past one in the afternoon.)

Then click on the red text "OS i Play", between "Forum" and "SVT Sport". This opens a window containing a whole lot of TV snippets which refer to Olympic sports, and the run-up to the Beijing games, with focus on the Swedish athletes (Duh!). You must set your web browser to let pop-up windows through.

Anyway, as I understand it, it is there Swedish TV will be airing its fencing coverage, about 10 hours of it. For a detailed schedule, see a recent post by me in another thread. I have posted translations for the different weapons many times before, I hope you have been attentive. http://www.fencing.net/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif The good thing is that there is no mention of this service been made exclusive to Swedish viewers. However, I can not promise that that will not change.

Their coverage of niche sports (fencing, gymnastics, beach volleyball, etc) is called Peking+, fencing coverage starts August 10th. A sports pundit in the largest national paper stated, with lament, that all sports in that web channel will be aired without commentary.

Right now, you can see two fencing snippets. One is about the reigning National champion in WF, who on her merit list also has 21 previous National golds and 7 OG starts (1964-1988) - Kerstin Palm, 62. The other is about Emma Samuelsson, our representative to the Beijing games in WE.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

Helen Mulrine
-25th July 2008, 06:51
TAKEN FROM THE HOME PAGE FIS

full olympic coverage, 19 hrs live from Cina, 7 olympic news spots, 3 special reports, and a dedicated sat channel RAI SPORT PIU. As usual for the fencing tradition, the commentators are Federico Calcagno and Stefano Pantano, who will do the commentary live from the fencing hall.

I read the other day that the semi finals and finals will be televised about 3.am in Italy.

Gav
-25th July 2008, 08:48
TAKEN FROM THE HOME PAGE FIS

full olympic coverage, 19 hrs live from Cina, 7 olympic news spots, 3 special reports, and a dedicated sat channel RAI SPORT PIU. As usual for the fencing tradition, the commentators are Federico Calcagno and Stefano Pantano, who will do the commentary live from the fencing hall.

I read the other day that the semi finals and finals will be televised about 3.am in Italy.

Helen,

If you get a minute, could you take a look over the Rai site and see if they have web streams anywhere?

mozzar
-27th July 2008, 20:33
I'm thinking the red button may be a saviour. Anyone know the time difference between Britain and China?

Swords Crossed
-27th July 2008, 21:45
As I recall, it's seven hours. Fencing begins at 10am, so if you want to watch it live don't bother going to bed the day before (alternatively, try setting your video to "record"). I doubt our Freeview will be giving such premium service, though.

fa266
-28th July 2008, 07:58
There's a thread about internet coverage in the UK on the American forum. WS is the night of Friday 8th August so I may be staying up to watch if I can find it anywhere....

Gav
-28th July 2008, 12:56
I've merged these two threads together to keep the discussion in the one place.

Cymru Fach
-28th July 2008, 14:50
TV5 (French national tv channel) has the fencing in its events schedule!

Is this TV5Monde on channel 799? :confused:

CF

Meg_SF
-28th July 2008, 23:45
I was a bit baffled as to what was happening where during the Olympics so I downloaded the 'olympic monkey'. Have to say - so far - I'm rather impressed with it!

Very fast, nice clean graphics and you're able to choose your favourite 5 sports to keep an eye on during the games. There's also the option to go through the event timetable and select the events you want to be 'alerted' about.

Here's the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/monkey/7479984.stm


Now if I could just find out which channels will be showing it... or if I could somehow tie it in with sky plus....


Does anyone know if eurosport/sky sports are covering the games and if so, whether you can pick and choose which sports to watch using that rather magical 'red button'?

*Quite excited now*

Harty
-30th July 2008, 19:36
The eurosport website has a fairly comprehensive schedule on it:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/

If you go to the tv guide you can go ahead 14 days to find the day you want. Most of the programmes are filled already with the usual endless swimming etc. However, there are blank blocks and I imagine nearer the time the editors will fill with other sports. Which hopefully may be fencing on the appropriate days.

They also have the full fencing competition schedule on the eurosport website under the olympics section.

Altogether, not a bad effort from eurosport.

Gav
-30th July 2008, 21:19
The actual page is not bad...

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/olympics/fencing/

fa266
-3rd August 2008, 19:17
So, to summarise, is my only hope for viewing the WS final next Saturday morning French Channel 799 on Sky?

Svt.se do not appear to have WS on their schedule and we cannot access NBC online from the UK. The BBC schedules that I have looked at online make no mention of Women's sabre on Saturday and I'm not putting much hope in the red button...

fa266
-5th August 2008, 08:23
TAKEN FROM THE HOME PAGE FIS

full olympic coverage, 19 hrs live from Cina, 7 olympic news spots, 3 special reports, and a dedicated sat channel RAI SPORT PIU. As usual for the fencing tradition, the commentators are Federico Calcagno and Stefano Pantano, who will do the commentary live from the fencing hall.

I read the other day that the semi finals and finals will be televised about 3.am in Italy.

What is this FIS and RAI SPORT PIU?

Red
-5th August 2008, 08:53
FIS is the Italian Fencing (Scherma, hence the S) Federation

Cyrano5
-5th August 2008, 11:03
I have found this www.wizzgo.com is a French site which allows you to record all free to view channels in France to your hard drive...

Now just looking for the schedule.

evanorapopov
-5th August 2008, 11:27
Had look at the BBC Olympic TV schedule looks like the one mention is Tuesday the 12th August from 12:45pm – 5.15pm, Men’s Sabre, Alex O’connel and possibly using the red button on Freeview. See link below scroll half way down the page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk33/olympics.shtml

say - Britain's Alex O'Connell competes in the men's individual sabre.

This programme is also available on the BBC HD Channel. Digital viewers can access more live coverage of events via BBCi on the Red button and broadband.

fa266
-5th August 2008, 12:24
I have found this www.wizzgo.com (http://www.wizzgo.com) is a French site which allows you to record all free to view channels in France to your hard drive...

Now just looking for the schedule.

Cool! I think the TV5 thing might be a bit of red herring. I checked their schedule and there isn't any live fencing, at least on Saturday. Perhaps on one of the other French channels will show it...

Helen Mulrine
-5th August 2008, 12:36
RAI SPORT PIU

is an Italian sports satelite channel, other usual Italian sports channel for fencing is RAI SAT SPORT I think we get them from Hot Bird but I'll have to check that.

rpryer
-5th August 2008, 13:04
Had look at the BBC Olympic TV schedule looks like the one mention is Tuesday the 12th August from 12:45pm – 5.15pm, Men’s Sabre, Alex O’connel and possibly using the red button on Freeview. See link below scroll half way down the page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk33/olympics.shtml

say - Britain's Alex O'Connell competes in the men's individual sabre.

This programme is also available on the BBC HD Channel. Digital viewers can access more live coverage of events via BBCi on the Red button and broadband.

There is also mention of Richard in the Wednesday morning programme.

hokers
-5th August 2008, 13:09
Had look at the BBC Olympic TV schedule looks like the one mention is Tuesday the 12th August from 12:45pm – 5.15pm, Men’s Sabre, Alex O’connel and possibly using the red button on Freeview. See link below scroll half way down the page.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk33/olympics.shtml

say - Britain's Alex O'Connell competes in the men's individual sabre.

This programme is also available on the BBC HD Channel. Digital viewers can access more live coverage of events via BBCi on the Red button and broadband.


FENCING IN HIGH DEFINITION! Woooooooooooooooooooooo!

Note that fencing is one of the 5 sports to be shown in that slot, so is not likely to be 4.5 hours on BBC1, but a longer stream will probably be available via the BBCi application. Should be easy enough to record if you have a DVD recorder or something, I'm not sure whether most PVR boxes can record directly from the BBCi application.

Gav
-5th August 2008, 23:02
Helen,

So I've deciphered the Rai Sport pages and it looks like we can get comprehensive coverage. Do you, or any other italian speaking person, know if Rai Sport is streaming onto the web?

EDIT:

I've found a few sites (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=free%20tv%20rai%20sport) that host Rai Sport streams. I'll be in Hungary - does anyone want to volunteer to ummm... "watch" the streams onto their hard drives? Of course I have no idea what the quality of output you might get is. I have a feeling we are not going to get the quality we got last time around.

Helen Mulrine
-6th August 2008, 06:43
Gav

I found www.pechino2008.rai.it this site says it will have 6 video links from 6 different areas. It talks about video streaming., larger coverage compared to the TV

septic_belgian
-6th August 2008, 14:28
I am assuming that the NBC sites blocks out non US based IP addresses for the live streams. has any one had any luck with proxy avoidance/redirecting sites or programs to get around this little licensing issue. I know that NBC paid $1billion for the broadcast rights for the US, and this is not exactly what they had in mind for their money, but they seem to have really good on-line streaming of the fencing.

wingnutLP
-8th August 2008, 14:19
Proxys are usually too slow to stream things through unless you pay through the teeth for them.

MatFink
-8th August 2008, 14:29
Its a shame, but we didnt get to see any of the fencers in the coverage, but I assume that atleast one of them must have been their because I pretty sure I spotted Graham Watts

hokers
-8th August 2008, 15:07
I have found this www.wizzgo.com is a French site which allows you to record all free to view channels in France to your hard drive...

Now just looking for the schedule.

Anyone with fluent french able to see if there is any fencing on the french freeview channels that we might watch through this site?

tigger
-8th August 2008, 16:47
I saw Peter Frohlich (whilst I was dashing in and out between giving lessons!). I think Alex O'C was there, but I didn't spot him.

RE: Coverage - do we really think there'll be fencing on BBCi? I might even stay up til 3am if so!

Kepster
-8th August 2008, 16:51
This looks like it might be a bit useful:

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

fa266
-8th August 2008, 17:55
I think I love you - have some positive rep x x x

dt19
-8th August 2008, 19:20
This looks like it might be a bit useful:

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

could someone please enlighten me? i'm on linux so it doesn't work!

fa266
-8th August 2008, 19:24
Kepster's find appears to be streaming live fencing - at least according to the schedules. Whether it works or not will be another matter but it's the best thing I've seen. Firefox didn't support it on my machine but IE did.

Marcos
-8th August 2008, 23:23
great find.

no guarantee they will show it as there are other matches, but Byrne is on at 10am Beijing time...

is that 3am our time?

(time for maths - it is 00.25 here...and it's 7.25 there....so 7 hours ahead, so 10am is 3am here....)

Marcos
-8th August 2008, 23:59
or watch Siobhan on http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics2008/player.html at 2.55am

Marcos
-9th August 2008, 02:16
argggggggggggggggggggggggg

same stream but showing only RED PISTE which is the UKR RSA match (which david is refereeing):mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Marcos
-9th August 2008, 02:19
great though it was to watch David, SB lost 15-8 :(

MatFink
-9th August 2008, 05:48
Yeah DS doing the business in blue jacket.and it looked like Keith doing his video replays?

3 Americans in the L4 as per script and seeding.

But what is really scary is on top of Ward their was a second Junior in the L8. Besbes from Tunisia. Thats 2 fencers who have been fencing less time than some of our fencers have been on funding.

Lets face it Tunisia isn't investing anything like what we are in fencing over the last few years yet at least in this category they are clearly progressing at a faster rate.

Perhaps the key is not money and support, but simply hard work, determination and the desire to win that overrides the need for excuses.
Of course a combination of the two would be good.

Gut check moment today as yet more fencers climb ahead of our elite on the ranking list, in what has for years been considered one of our two true strengths alongside Men's Foil (a squad that already has 1 championship medal to its credit this year).

fa266
-9th August 2008, 06:57
Rebecca Ward, although only 18, has fenced for a long time. I think the Tunisian girl trains full time in France - I can't believe she took Ward to 14-14 - I wish I had got up to watch it. The US girls do it again...

Marcos
-9th August 2008, 08:10
wow - so much for me thinking Perrus was a good outside bet

on the RTE link given above there is an interview with Siobhan Byrne following her exit

or watch O*N's analysis on http://www.rte.ie/sport/olympics2008/player_video.html

fa266
-9th August 2008, 08:16
Marcos - you can only watch it in Ireland!!!

So who's going to bet on the 1,2,3...?
:D

O*N
-9th August 2008, 08:48
Marcos - you can only watch it in Ireland!!!

Thank God!

fa266
-9th August 2008, 08:52
Ahead of the Becca v Mariel bout - check out this quote from the US forum:eek::

Quote:
Originally Posted by KD5MDK http://76.162.189.46/forum/images/fencing_net/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread37247-post718312.html#post718312)
Interesting, it looked like Yuri was the coach at Becca's strip.

That is because Ed is showing his tender and caring nature for Mariel and the hell with Becca. This was no surprise for me. I am glad that he was there. Yury is a good guy and a good coach. I can't say the same for Ed.
When the going gets tough he is next to Mariel.
If you guys don't like me saying that TOUGH COOKIES.
The Momster

MatFink
-9th August 2008, 09:50
I am aware that an awful lot of people have read this thread this morning.

I am also aware that read by those sensitive to criticism that my earlier post could be over read into. I have simply stated that Tunisia are managing to achieve more than us with less resources.

I choose to highlight that (in my experience of them) the 'key' to the Tunisian success was simply hardwork, determination and an all conquering will to win. (this actually extends across all weapons I have witnessed the fencers competing in)

I was very careful to avoid personal comment, or mention coaching as an area that contributes to success (largely because I wouldn't know what good sabre coach looked like if someone threw one at me) but my point remains that for whatever reason we are slipping in a weapon that we have previously been comparatively more successful in.

I had hoped to stimulate some debate, about what IS missing in our system that this is happening. I actually believe that hardwork and desire to win are not factors we are short of, and it was my sincerest hope that someone else would have stated that. I say for goodness sake people because for all the people who have privately grumbled about my post and of all the others who read it not one person except for me has said anything positive about our fencers, and not one person has identifed possible areas where we could improve to better faciiltate their success (unless we count the staement about training full time in Paris).

Because it is off topic here, I will start a seperate thread to debate this area. What is missing in British Fencing? Maybe we do need to relocate our squad abroad, maybe they have to train even harder than they already do, may it is something else or many things, but forums promote debate and drive change.

Whatever we are doing is not working as well as what others are doing so let's talk about it.

In the words of Batmans Joker "What do I have to do to get you people off the bench and into the game?"

Red
-9th August 2008, 10:30
The Tunisian did have a relatively easy ride.
One of the top French girls in the 32? If you look past form, the French are really there for the team and the individual is a distraction to pass the time. She then had a Canadian in the 16 to get to the 8. To be perfectly honest Tan Xue had it tougher.
But hey, clearly preparation met opportunity and luck :not_worth

TLove
-9th August 2008, 11:11
On topic:

Just looking at the BBC website.
They show 29 sports in their Olympic schedule.
And televise 28 of them.

Guess which one is left out?
Bah.

FEMTO
-9th August 2008, 11:13
How can I record the olympic bouts from streams?

cheers

MatFink
-9th August 2008, 11:17
Nice comeback are the chat break with the coach. A really great bout and a guaranteed medal for her.

MatFink
-9th August 2008, 11:36
Interesting match, should make for and interesting couple of medal bouts

fa266
-9th August 2008, 11:38
Mariel wins the other semi 15-11. She looked like she was made of stone - so tough and so focussed. Becca looked very nervous and didn't really get into it. I hope she picks herself up and wins the bronze. It must be so hard to lose to your club mate like that.

UglyBug
-9th August 2008, 12:05
1-2-3 is amazing

Coup Lance
-9th August 2008, 12:06
USA women have the 1,2,3. Just the final to decide the order of the top 2. Money's gotta be on them to get the team gold.

fa266
-9th August 2008, 12:15
So many shots of Mariel's trainers...are Nike sponsoring the coverage???

fa266
-9th August 2008, 12:19
How many remises has Mariel got today?!!!!

fa266
-9th August 2008, 12:22
awesome stuff - well done Mariel :not_worth

JulianRose
-9th August 2008, 12:22
and mariel wins consecutive golds!!!

Marcos
-9th August 2008, 16:10
Thank God!

shame....

...as next time any of you see O*N ask him about the small factual error he made on national TV :tongue:


If you go onto the official streaming website they have a highlights package of some L16/L8 matches...pretty good

monobrow
-9th August 2008, 17:24
am in switzerland at the moment and swiss tv are showing full coverage of mens epee tomorrow morning. its the life, can sit in a jacuzzi with an alpine back drop and watch fencing on tv.

mono

(and good luck to our british fencers)

Marcos
-9th August 2008, 21:48
nothing more relaxing than watching epee, i guess.... ;)

Bambi
-10th August 2008, 04:14
This looks like it might be a bit useful:

http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

Well this isn't working for me, have downloaded all updates and have most recent wmp and ie7. Couldn't configue the proxy setting in media player for some reason.

Any suggestions??

silvercross
-10th August 2008, 07:40
I think I just missed the fencing (again). The channel on http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/ that's supposed to be transmitting ME is showing Women's Weightlifting...:(

ChubbyHubby
-10th August 2008, 08:13
no idea what round this is but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqcyuvT0rg

purple
-10th August 2008, 09:39
Well just watched the Women's sabre final using EurovisionSports on a Vista VM on my Mac. Worked well enough, and I'm glad to see that *someone* is at least providing coverage.

I'll tune back in at around mid-day to pick up the finals for the eee-pc.

ED_R
-10th August 2008, 10:50
Screen nine starts in five mins

mozzar
-10th August 2008, 19:21
It's really frustrating hearing about all of it but not being able to see anything. Fair enough if the BBC don't have enough room to put it on the tv, but they could have at least put it on the internet or BBC iplayer.

Just hoping that if one of the Brits gets to the final they might show it.

Mr long sword
-10th August 2008, 20:07
After some computer update stuff i got the eurovisionsports to work.
Looking forward to tuesday.

Time (BST) Event
03:00 am Sabre Men 1st Round
04:00 am Sabre Men Last 32
05:30 am Sabre Men Last 16
06:20 am Sabre Men Quarter-finals
12:00 pm Sabre Men Semi-finals
12:50 pm Sabre Men places 3/4
01:10 pm Sabre Men Final

nessyfencer
-10th August 2008, 21:32
no idea what round this is but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xqcyuvT0rg

Whoops!


This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by a third party.

kd5mdk
-11th August 2008, 03:04
I'm watching the WF now, Smart v Emanuel. Does anybody want a semi-commentary?

fencingmum
-11th August 2008, 04:01
Where were you watching? I've been watching online but haven't seen Martina.

MatFink
-11th August 2008, 04:02
Smart won 15 - 7 and will face Maitrejean in the next round.Wish I had spotted your post earlier as there was nothing but the red piste on line.

kd5mdk
-11th August 2008, 04:25
Where were you watching? I've been watching online but haven't seen Martina.

Note that I'm in the US. NBC has all 4 pistes on streaming video live.

fencingmaster
-11th August 2008, 07:38
Caught the men's epee bronze fight-off live on TVE Spain yesterday, then just as the finalists walked on for the gold medal fight TVE cut to an advert and a nature programme!!!

fencingmum
-11th August 2008, 08:58
Hard luck, Martina.

Yes, I was watching the red piste too - how frustrating to see other fights going on in the background and they didn't even put the results up on screen. Hope we get coverage of the boys when it's their turn....

pigeonmeister
-11th August 2008, 09:16
The Italian women foilists are predicatably dominant. Vezzali, Trillini, and Granbassi all into the L4- could be an Italian clean sweep.

Coverage of semis start at 11 on www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/
They will be in channel 4.

Hard Luck to Martina.

ChubbyHubby
-11th August 2008, 11:33
WF semis/final now on www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/ (Rai Sport) Channgel 24

Blackbeard
-11th August 2008, 11:48
Hi, i am new on here, but I have now joined because of the increasing frustration of no fencing coverage.

I found this site which is supposed to stream free olympics coverage, apparently you need PC Windows/Vista and for Mac (intel only)

I am going to try later, let us know if any one has success using it!

:}>

pigeonmeister
-11th August 2008, 12:10
If you are not watching in the US, you won't be able to watch the NBC coverage.

Vezzali has just crushed Granbassi- 13-3 or something. Not great to watch if I'm honest, though some nice repostes from Vezzali.

The Trillini v Nam bout was better, but Trillini seems unable to hit with any kind of attack and let Nam get too close- thus struggled to land repostes on the left hander.

Nam, with lightening fast feet, launched some nicely timed direct attacks, but also scored with several close quarter remises.

horus
-11th August 2008, 12:21
Try this link from our American correspondent......

http://www.nbcolympics.com/tv_and_online_listings/zone=ET/day=2/sport=FE/online.html

stephenda
-11th August 2008, 12:22
www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

Anyone getting this error?

"This material can only be accessed from an authorized source"

It was working well yesterday :(

horus
-11th August 2008, 12:24
Sorry - didn't get the details for ZIP code etc....if anyone has details that work - please post....

Red
-11th August 2008, 12:24
www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/ (http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/)

Anyone getting this error?

"This material can only be accessed from an authorized source"

It was working well yesterday :(

Working for me right now.

stephenda
-11th August 2008, 12:27
Working for me right now.

Maybe I've been blacklisted by the Chinese..... Oh well :whistle:

rpryer
-11th August 2008, 13:08
Working for me too. Vezzali has just won the WF - 6-5 at time. She scored the winning hit with 4 seconds on the clock.

Helen Mulrine
-11th August 2008, 14:30
Martina's mum has just phoned me, Marty obviously disapointed , but strangely the americans contested Martina's brand new Leon Paul light weight lame and she was made to change it.! her mum didn't know why., Martina's coach Maestro Molteni didn't get acreditation ( probably due to Martina's late qualification) and watched from the balcony seats., and in the american box were 3 girls shouting instructions to Martina's oponent. More than slightly off-putting for Martina.

Marcos
-11th August 2008, 14:43
Working for me too. Vezzali has just won the WF - 6-5 at time. She scored the winning hit with 4 seconds on the clock.

the last 90seconds aside, it was a pretty dire match, as was Vezzali's semi final.

The other semi was great, with Margherita totally losing it with the ref in the best traditions of Italian fencing :)

however, you couldn't really accuse the bouts of being exciting...or even that interesting. I think I saw two counter-ripostes over the four bouts I watched

:sleep:

Swords Crossed
-11th August 2008, 15:10
Grr, I hate Explorer! it keeps crashing on me!

hokers
-11th August 2008, 15:17
Martina's mum has just phoned me, Marty obviously disapointed , but strangely the americans contested Martina's brand new Leon Paul light weight lame and she was made to change it.! her mum didn't know why., Martina's coach Maestro Molteni didn't get acreditation ( probably due to Martina's late qualification) and watched from the balcony seats., and in the american box were 3 girls shouting instructions to Martina's oponent. More than slightly off-putting for Martina.

If I were LP and heard that I'd want an explanation from the president I think. Only if it failed to register hits or was too small could I understand it being changed.

Not fair for anyone to be coaching during the fight - president should have stopped it if it was happening.

pigeonmeister
-11th August 2008, 15:30
Does seem a strange decision- not allowing Martina's lame.

In terms of the overall result, Smart is 80 places higher in the world rankings and has beaten Martina before- so she was always up against it...

mozzar
-11th August 2008, 18:52
Anyone know if there's going to be a DVD release of the olympic matches? I reckon it's the only way i'll actually be able to watch any of it.

MatFink
-11th August 2008, 20:34
This is however fencing problem as a media draw. When we get to see matches of such a very high skill level and even fencing enthusiasts find it dull or unsatisfying then it is not a suprise that is is hard to attract coverage.

I was glued to it the whole time, a really commanding performance from Vezzalli in the semi, followed by a solid grind in the final fencing very tightly against a very talented and technical opponent

Then late in the third period having only scored to 3 hits in 8 and a half minutes she went up and gear and finished the job without getting dragged into an additional minute. It might not have been grand opera but it was atrue champions performance.

I actually think their may be more of a market for Junior fencing, it is often more exciting when the skill level is just a touch lower and with it the reduction in caution that make for more exciting and regular exchanges.

That said both sabre and epee finals, and particularly the epee semis were pretty action packed if that is what the viewing public is looking for.


Really bad that Martina was not able to have her coach with her, and I am suprised they had 3 people in the american box normally it is just 1 coach. Certainly in the epee everytime they showed the box it was a lone figure. I am sure either David or Keith can clarify the rules at these games.

Moby
-11th August 2008, 21:36
I was using it fine at work which is notoriously tough to see anything even slightly unrelated to work...

This is a techie question as I'm using a eee laptop running Linux and Firefox, so not sure if that's the reason why. (My normal laptop is not working at the moment and I'm not fluent in Linux, so not sure how to fix it!) Any simple suggestions welcomed. Am not keen to go to work at 3am, but then I really want to see the sabre...

MatFink
-11th August 2008, 21:44
I am aware that many streaming sites only support certain operating system and even specific browsers, unfortunately with the version of Linux on the eeepc it is very unlikely you will have much joy. However the eeepc itself can support windows xp then you could watch to your hearts conent, but that would mean sacrificing the PIM, Pidgin, and all the cool games, but you would get rid of the 'education' stuff.

Borrow a windows laptop from your mates!!! tell them its an emergency !!!

septic_belgian
-11th August 2008, 22:16
there's a nice photo of Martina on the BBC olympics site this evening
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/7544069.stm

Red
-12th August 2008, 02:38
And Alex goes out to Kovalev 15-14.... Ouch....

Did anybody see more of it than random bits of replay in the background?

Moby
-12th August 2008, 02:42
It was a close fight:

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/FRE/INF/FE/C73I/FEM003607.shtml#FEM003607

Swords Crossed
-12th August 2008, 02:43
Ouch is right - I didn't see any more than you, but Alex took it right up to the wire!

Red
-12th August 2008, 02:47
Looking at the numbers it seemed as if he dug in and worked very hard for those last few hits. Does anyone know what happened in the last hit?

shepherd
-12th August 2008, 02:48
:( 1 point ...............

Duncan Rowlands
-12th August 2008, 02:50
Didn't see any more than you. :(

Looking at the results page Alex did a hell of a come back from 14-11 down to level it at 14-14. Pity we couldn't watch it.

I saw Dave walking out but have no idea what bout he was involved in.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 02:50
But an absolutely fantastic result none the less against the fencer ranked 117 places higher than him in the world.

This is exactly the type of achievement that we should be looking to replicate.

Great stuff Alex, and obviously some superb prep done by him and his coach David Sach.

Just imagine what can be achieved with another 4 years.

Red
-12th August 2008, 02:51
Didn't see any more than you. :(

Looking at the results page Alex did a hell of a come back from 14-11 down to level it at 14-14. Pity we couldn't watch it.

I saw Dave walking out but have no idea what bout he was involved in.

DS was refereeing/assisting on green if memory serves.

Swords Crossed
-12th August 2008, 03:02
But an absolutely fantastic result none the less against the fencer ranked 117 places higher than him in the world.

This is exactly the type of achievement that we should be looking to replicate.

Great stuff Alex, and obviously some superb prep done by him and his coach David Sach.

Just imagine what can be achieved with another 4 years.

Sorry, I neglected to append a 'well done, keep up the good work' to my post, so...

Very well done Alex, it's no small achievement, if not exactly the result one might have hoped for.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 03:09
in Beijing or ripped from stream in USA and they were thinking of posting be aware I looked from Alex's other video appearances and discovered that a such on Alex O'Connell turns out hundreds of hits from The Mummy (the Brendan Fraser film) and all its sequels.

Put the word sabre in the title and maybe 2008 but avoid olympics or beijing as these seem to get removed very quickly.

Also if anyone has his JWC fight from this year that would prove interesting viewing.

So final plea to those who have access to this match from online sources or live, if you only post one video of fencing I believe a lot of us would like to see this fight.

Well done again to Alex.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 03:23
Just watched Rogers get annihilated 2nd match by Smart, its a long way to travel for a 32 and 3 hits against a guy you fence all the time anyway!!! but it just goes to show how very tough it is out there.

But Keeth Smart is looking really good and he is a former world number one (and more importantly a good mate of our own James Williams), I will continue to watch in anticipation and because his fencing is really very stylish.

Moby
-12th August 2008, 03:36
Just watched Rogers get annihilated 2nd match by Smart, its a long way to travel for a 32 and 3 hits against a guy you fence all the time anyway!!! but it just goes to show how very tough it is out there.

But Keeth Smart is looking really good and he is a former world number one (and more importantly a good mate of our own James Williams), I will continue to watch in anticipation and because his fencing is really very stylish.

Rogers won his 64 bout against the Senegalese fencer to get to the 32, so not only 3 hits... the bout was a little tame - too much respect from Rogers...

I just watched the Szilagi bout - now he is looking really great. Against a team-mate too - can't be easy.

Well done to Alex - am sure he will have gained a lot from the whole Olympic experience and take that on into London.

Red
-12th August 2008, 03:44
Slightly ironic - Christian Bauer at the Chinese end of the piste against a Frenchman...

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 03:53
Rogers won his 64 bout against the Senegalese fencer to get to the 32, so not only 3 hits... the bout was a little tame - too much respect from Rogers...

I just watched the Szilagi bout - now he is looking really great. Against a team-mate too - can't be easy.

I did say it was his 2nd match, 3 hits against his teammate.

Yep Szilagi was looking sharp

and (for Red) its not the first and will certainly not be the last time that the French team will be faced with Christian Bauer. Many people (me included) still view him as the big man of world sabre. But so far he has not produced the miracle the Chinese would have been hoping for when they picked him up after Athens.

Of course there is still time :)

Red
-12th August 2008, 03:58
I did say it was his 2nd match, 3 hits against his teammate.

Yep Szilagi was looking sharp

and (for Red) its not the first and will certainly not be the last time that the French team will be faced with Christian Bauer. Many people (me included) still view him as the big man of world sabre. But so far he has not produced the miracle the Chinese would have been hoping for when they picked him up after Athens.

Of course there is still time :)

It seems the French magic is only working for the French today :rolleyes: For me, that has been the best fight on the red piste so far.

A 1-2-3 for anybody is now impossible unless Lopez can overcome Pozdniakov...

Moby
-12th August 2008, 04:01
I did say it was his 2nd match, 3 hits against his teammate.

Yep Szilagi was looking sharp

and (for Red) its not the first and will certainly not be the last time that the French team will be faced with Christian Bauer. Many people (me included) still view him as the big man of world sabre. But so far he has not produced the miracle the Chinese would have been hoping for when they picked him up after Athens.

Of course there is still time :)

sorry - missed that - it is 5am!!

one of the chinese beat nemscik... wow :) so miracle could still happen.

Red
-12th August 2008, 04:11
And the last African is out in the 32 along with Pozdniakov. The French can still get the 1-2-3.

Edit - All the Russians are out.... Odd...

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 04:35
yep the big man going out is a surprise and of course opens the door for wht had looked a unlikely attempt to retain the title for Mr.Montano and yes the Wang match with Pillet was excellent as is the current Szilagi against Smart.

Red
-12th August 2008, 04:44
yep the big man going out is a surprise and of course opens the door for wht had looked a unlikely attempt to retain the title for Mr.Montano and yes the Wang match with Pillet was excellent as is the current Szilagi against Smart.

Indeed. Szilagyi couldn't cope at all with Smart's ridiculously fast attacks. Wow.

Red
-12th August 2008, 04:51
Montano. Out. :eek:

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 04:55
Well Montano is gone.
Predictions for the four Smart, Lopez, Tarantino, and Covaliu

Like to see a chinese fencer do it, but...

Of course if Covaliu wins I can have a little party because Mahai is the same age as me to the day so it will prove I not past it (just not up to it lol)

What do you reckon

p.s. nice to have the company tonight,being DS is reffing today.

Red
-12th August 2008, 05:02
Well Montano is gone.
Predictions for the four Smart, Lopez, Tarantino, and Covaliu

Like to see a chinese fencer do it, but...

Of course if Covaliu wins I can have a little party because Mahai is the same age as me to the day so it will prove I not past it (just not up to it lol)

What do you reckon

p.s. nice to have the company tonight,being DS is reffing today.

I'd say Pillet over Smart as he seems relatively cool and collected at the moment. Otherwise I agree with your last four.

Now I've said that he keeps getting hit by Dumitrescu... Oops...

Edit - It's making staying awake between bouts easier ;)

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 05:16
A quote from Alex on the BBC site:



I knew I could do it. I saw the draw four days ago and he's ranked above me, but I knew I could beat him - I just came up short.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 05:17
Zhong could still produce that chinese miracle

And if he is the one to end Italy's MS bid at this Olympics I have know don't Mr. Bauer will be grinning like the proverbial cheshire cat.:D

Moby
-12th August 2008, 05:20
A quote from Alex on the BBC site:

can u post the link?

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 05:21
I still think Smart, lopez and Covaliu for the other 3 with Covaliu as champion.

Covaliu Smart final would be spectacular, but we shall have to see Pillet is fencing well.

Go Zhong

or Ji Yo Zhong Man :whistle:

Red
-12th August 2008, 05:31
Is Pillet losing it?

Edit - he seems to be pulling himself together now.

Red
-12th August 2008, 05:39
And he's through with some gorgeous ripostes.

Along with Zhong - another meeting of French magic in the semi.

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 05:40
can u post the link?

See the 0603 entry here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/live_action/7555303.stm)

Great comeback from Pillet.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 05:44
Threw that one away a bit, first 3 hits after break were virtually identical all attacking into one line, and a further two virtually identical hits including the second to last.

He is going to hate himself when he watches that one back.

The chinese miracle happened!!!!

At least I was right about Lopez lol

Still think Covaliu to win

Red
-12th August 2008, 05:49
To me it seemed that when Pillet started to fence well again, Smart started to go downhill.

Should be interesting later on. Off to bed.

Moby
-12th August 2008, 05:49
Threw that one away a bit, first 3 hits after break were virtually identical all attacking into one line, and a further two virtually identical hits including the second to last.

He is going to hate himself when he watches that one back.

The chinese miracle happened!!!!

At least I was right about Lopez lol

Still think Covaliu to win

I gotta back Pillet, but glad the chinese got 1 in the last 4. Maybe it'll make up for Tan Xue's under-performance in the women's. He clearly really wanted to beat Smart as he normally stays pretty cool when winning.

Off to bed for 40 minutes snooze...

kd5mdk
-12th August 2008, 06:06
If Zhou takes 4th, do you think Bauer will last long in China? They paid a lot of money to get medals here.

tigger
-12th August 2008, 07:32
Bauer's contract runs out after Beijing, and he doesn't seem keen on staying there anyway...

AussieMongrel
-12th August 2008, 07:44
What time are the finals on in GMT?

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 08:00
What time are the finals on in GMT?

Semi-final coverage starts at 11am GMT (i.e. noon BST). 12.10 GMT for the final.

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 09:29
A brief report on Alex on BBC 1 a couple of minutes ago - showed a few hits, including the last one (one light), and a brief interview which included the quote above.

The intro included a slight mistake, as it said GBR had two fencers (Richard and Alex) at the games.

pinkelephant
-12th August 2008, 09:37
A brief report on Alex on BBC 1 a couple of minutes ago - showed a few hits, including the last one (one light), and a brief interview which included the quote above.

The intro included a slight mistake, as it said GBR had two fencers (Richard and Alex) at the games.

And it also described him as a past World Junior Champion, rather than Cadet.

Rdb811
-12th August 2008, 09:54
And it also described him as a past World Junior Champion, rather than Cadet.

Far too complicated and technical a distinction for the media or the publi to understand.

In any event, a Cadet is a species of "junior" (in the sense of generic young thing).

Marcos
-12th August 2008, 10:00
Bauer's contract runs out after Beijing, and he doesn't seem keen on staying there anyway...


Keep a look out for a German with fencing kit driving around Cornwall after the summer

hokers
-12th August 2008, 10:09
Anyone see Alex's fight live? Any streams of it about anywhere?

So unfortunate to lose by one hit, but a good performance against a much higer-ranked opponent for his first Olympics.

Fleuret
-12th August 2008, 10:22
I contacted the BBC earlier today to ask for more fencing coverage. I spoke to two people - one suggeted I look for the sabre viewing times under the equestrian events! Fortunately the other person had done a little fencing and was much more helpful - she said she would pass my comments on. Would it be a good idea for more people to contact the BBC via their homepage so they know there are fencers out here who think their sport should get more coverage. It might (possibly) do some good if lots of people contacted them!

1cypriotfencer
-12th August 2008, 10:32
FEncing on BBC 1 8'oclock tonight

interactive stream 6 mens sabre

Harty
-12th August 2008, 10:54
I have a slow connection and am lothe to keep flipping through the streams. Stream 6 is showing the weightlifting arena and the programme incorrectly says that stream 4 is fencing. Why can't it just have a caption on each of the stream tiles saying what is on the stream!?

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 10:58
Stream 4 is the fencing - remember the times are GMT on the programme guide. The fencers are just walking on.

razors
-12th August 2008, 11:02
Argghh! Is it streaming on the BBC website somewhere? Or do I need freeview / cable or summat?

Red
-12th August 2008, 11:09
Is Pillet pulling another superb comeback?

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:14
Zhong is the new hero of the hour!

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 11:15
Is Pillet pulling another superb comeback?

No.

Red
-12th August 2008, 11:15
Zhong is in the final. Clearly only enough French magic around for one man (Bauer).

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 11:15
Argghh! Is it streaming on the BBC website somewhere? Or do I need freeview / cable or summat?

Select Stream 4 here (http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/)

razors
-12th August 2008, 11:20
Windows only. Lame.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:23
Classements et résultats
Anne Rang Pts
2007/2008 10 200
2006/2007 21 132 CHM - St-Petersbourg 22 2005/2006 48 44 2004/2005 48 44
2003/2004 229 3


This is only his second championship tournament, and look where he was 4 years go

Has anyone got Christian Bauer's mobile number :whistle: :whistle:

Bet the Chinese think it was money well spent now!!

Red
-12th August 2008, 11:37
Another FRA vs Bauer bout to come in the final!

Mat, it seems your prediction was a little out.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:38
I see Dave is faithful assistant for final again.

Officially the worlds best arm judge:not_worth

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:40
But now he's gone got to bet on Bauer

Zhong to win

I am going to stick to punditing epee my sabre forecasting skills are &*&$( well there not very good :rolleyes:

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:42
You were backing Pillet :whistle:

I reckon were about even lol :D

Red
-12th August 2008, 11:47
You were backing Pillet :whistle:

I reckon were about even lol :D

Indeed :eek: In the interest of seeing this through to the end, I back the two French guys to win the gold and bronze.

Bambi
-12th August 2008, 11:48
Select Stream 4 here (http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/)

Argh!!! Work has now banned this site and i cant get on!!! Not even on my lunch break!!

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 11:58
You are on, its actually the same two fights we thought anyway!

although I will point out that it was me who picked Lopez for the four as well.

Of course I took a real bath on Smart and Tarantino courtesy of Pillet and Zhong

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:01
Bronze medal match is very close...but Covaliu now up 12-9

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 12:04
My strategy of constantly betting against Pillet finally comes good.

Maybe I should have stuck to backing Lopez but I had to go with Covaliu out of age group loyalty :whistle:

Can't bet against Bauer when its a French man at the other end just can't do it.

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:04
Covaliu wins 15-11

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 12:05
Indeed :eek: In the interest of seeing this through to the end, I back the two French guys to win the gold and bronze.

Ooops...

Red
-12th August 2008, 12:06
Never mind. It was rather close until he started to throw it away :rolleyes:

hokers
-12th August 2008, 12:08
lovely riposte from Covaliu near the end, right on the back line. Bloody connection here has been very dodgy today so am mostly only getting the commentary (of which there is none - but still better than James Chambers)

Rdb811
-12th August 2008, 12:09
Wasn't close at all.

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 12:12
With at date of birth like that surely Covaliu was destined for greatness:whistle:

Well all down to Zhong now

Red
-12th August 2008, 12:16
Wasn't close at all.

To me, it seemed to be until a couple of hits after the break.

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:16
Just saw David!

fa266
-12th August 2008, 12:17
potentially a big call from Mr S...

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 12:18
Amazing core stability and body movement from Lopez, just call him Neo!!

Time for some of that Bauer magic,

either way in fact, because if Zhong loses we will get his disappearing act instead :) :whistle:

MatFink
-12th August 2008, 12:20
potentially a big call from Mr S...

Marco could ref sabre blindfolded

plus with video the era of big calls is (mercifully) at an end.

fa266
-12th August 2008, 12:21
did he not check with Sach whether Lopez had gone off the back?

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:23
he did- and I thought Lopez clearly did. Zhong 12-9 up so Baur must have been inspired at the minute break.

Red
-12th August 2008, 12:23
Lopez needs a miracle...

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:25
didn't get one...

hokers
-12th August 2008, 12:26
All over. What a strange second half of the fight (as much as i saw of it).

rory
-12th August 2008, 12:27
Sure I saw daylight in front of the back foot....
Not that it matters to Zhang or Lopez.

Amazing win for the Chinese.

Rdb811
-12th August 2008, 12:28
To me, it seemed to be until a couple of hits after the break.


Possibly - the coverage is non too good and I did mistake the 1/3 partie / session indicator for the score.

razors
-12th August 2008, 12:28
Well thanks for the commentary guys. Next best thing to actually being able to see anything.

Red
-12th August 2008, 12:29
9-1 in the second period... This Bauer chap's rather good, when will Tigger announce that he's the new Cornwall coach?

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:29
I'm with Rory- Lopez seemed to clearly go off the back. Anway, Zhang outscored Lopez 9-1 in the second period...unbelievable.

UglyBug
-12th August 2008, 12:29
Second final for our big man!!

hokers
-12th August 2008, 12:32
What a turnaround for Zhong recently.

Made L8 4 times this season (winning twice)
Made L8 twice last season

Then wins the Olympic final!

Mr long sword
-12th August 2008, 12:34
If I had set up a video camera on a tripod and recorded all the finals would that be illegal...?

Jenna Ashton
-12th August 2008, 12:35
9-1 in the second period... This Bauer chap's rather good, when will Tigger announce that he's the new Cornwall coach?

Unbelievable- look where he was ranked 2003-2004- 229th- 4 years ago! Encouraging to some of our athletes to say the least!!

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 12:42
Of course, Zhong was 21 places higher in the rankings than Lopez...

They have ALREADY adjusted the FIE rankings! Zhong is 2nd and Lopez 14th

Marcos
-12th August 2008, 12:47
Second final for our big man!!

wasn;t him that missed the line call was it? :tongue:

cainey
-12th August 2008, 12:53
Clip of Alex O'Connell fencing and post fight interview now on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUq_5_0C7HE

apologies for the shocking colour problems, its due to interference with Sky+ hard drive apparently

JulianRose
-12th August 2008, 13:03
and it is already not available any more.

TomA
-12th August 2008, 13:03
Just clicked the link and the video had already been removed - that's bl**dy quick for the copyright mods. :eek:

cainey
-12th August 2008, 13:05
Well 18 views were managed before it got taken down!

It lasted 23 minutes in cyberspace!

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 13:19
Funny how you can view a fair part of the Olympic opening ceremony (cough..propaganda...cough) though...

Can you access Youtube in China? It's just that some of the videos of the ceremony by member 'Beijing 2008' cannot be viewed in this country but are introduced as:

"The world watched in wonder as the glittering and astonishing curtain raiser to the 2008 games burst into the night sky of Beijing"

hokers
-12th August 2008, 13:28
Well I saw it - and the factual errors mentioned earlier were as described. Looks like there was very nearly nothing between them - final hit is a clash followed by one light - could have gone either way.

Good example of the right mentality from Alex in the interview "I knew I could beat him". You HAVE to believe that or you may as well not show up.

Cuppa
-12th August 2008, 14:16
Indeed. Szilagyi couldn't cope at all with Smart's ridiculously fast attacks. Wow.

It must be tough for him and Nemcsik as their personal coach Gyrorgy Gerevich died last week after a hip operation! Very young at 62!

rpryer
-12th August 2008, 14:22
The report on Alex is available on the BBC site (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/fencing/7556378.stm).

Bambi
-12th August 2008, 19:15
Montano. Out. :eek:


BBC just showed some 'out takes' including what looked like Montano getting knocked on the head and falling down!

hokers
-12th August 2008, 20:15
Just watched an hour of MS semis, final and bronze match on BBC red button interactive. Was probably available in HD if you had a box that supported it.

Commentator was an Aussie guy, not the best commentator but quite enthusiastic at least.

Finally some decent primetime coverage!

gurney
-12th August 2008, 20:22
Yeah, I watched it on the BBC website feed. Excellent stuff! Can't believe how Zhang (can't remember how to spell his name already!) came back in the final.

Very good - but the commentary was pretty rubbish.

PS - Hi there by the way - I'm new around here.

TomA
-12th August 2008, 20:42
Commentary was awful. I can understand the need to make it accessible to the public, but at least get someone who can tell the difference between red and green. Ideally, do what the French do, and have one commentator to be the presenter, and one to be the expert. The expert feeds the presenter and fencing viewers the info, and the presenter then translates it out of gibberish :p.

The judo commentary, from what I understand, does this and was/is good enough for the judo enthusiasts. It's not hard, but it makes a lot of difference IMO. Even my dad, who knows nothing about fencing, got bored with the talk of 'another slash'.

Obviously grateful to the beeb for showing the fights, and they were good to watch, even for an epeeist. :)

pigeonmeister
-12th August 2008, 20:52
I am torn between being grateful for the beeb for giving fencing some excellent coverage, and the fact that the coverage was potentially quite damaging. The reason being the frankly insulting decision to use a commentator who clearly had no idea who was being hit- let alone why.

Not his fault, he was put in impossible position and seemed a nice bloke- and certainly enthusiastic. But his total bewilderment only reinforced the perception of fencing being a sport that is totally impenetrable to understand and almost abritary in the splitting of simultaneous hits. Essentially he just kept the score....not always even correctly.

Boo Boo
-12th August 2008, 21:36
Chubby and I were discussing this, this evening... we are in two minds.

Yes, if you know ANYTHING about sabre/fencing, the commentary was incredibly poor... "and another great slash from the left" seemed to be as technical as it got :rolleyes:

But on the positive side, at least the commentator had more enthusiasm and was considerably less boring than JC... also he didn't loose any people who are not knowledgeable about fencing with "technical mumbo-jumbo" (even if, at the end of it, many will not have a CLUE why anyone got the hit...).

Maybe this was actually a conscious attempt to appeal to a wider audience: try and appeal to people's appreciation of speed and slashing, rather than try to educate them...?

Am not saying it is right, BUT it was fantastic to see an hour of fencing (full fights - not cut down fights) on prime time (if only interactive) TV.... :)

Boo


I am torn between being grateful for the beeb for giving fencing some excellent coverage, and the fact that the coverage was potentially quite damaging. The reason being the frankly insulting decision to use a commentator who clearly had no idea who was being hit- let alone why.

Not his fault, he was put in impossible position and seemed a nice bloke- and certainly enthusiastic. But his total bewilderment only reinforced the perception of fencing being a sport that is totally impenetrable to understand and almost abritary in the splitting of simultaneous hits. Essentially he just kept the score....not always even correctly.

Red
-13th August 2008, 02:33
Technical difficulties on the red piste... The wrong lights went off, always a good start.

Red
-13th August 2008, 02:41
I thought corps-a-corps was completely forbidden in foil :confused:
It seems that crashing into your opponent is perfectly fine today, I've seen it three times in this bout (when there has been no hit) without penalty and they're only at the end of the first period...

Kepster
-13th August 2008, 02:45
A bit of channel hopping may be in order tonight - I've already watched Schlosser's bout on ORF & I'm pretty sure the German channels ARD & ZDF will be showing at least some of the bouts today with 4 German's fencing. Decent commentary as well, if you can understand German anyway!

(The Eurovision site - click on EBU Broadcasters Live then navigate to channel of choice)

Red
-13th August 2008, 03:03
Probably won't see Richard until he's fencing Joppich in that case. The Romanian channel doesn't seem to be showing it - clearly Mr Saliscan cannot compete in looks with the Romanian female gymnasts...

Red
-13th August 2008, 03:27
According to the PA, Richard is through.

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 03:31
Richard is through , will fence JOPPICH Peter (Ger, seed 2)

Red
-13th August 2008, 03:38
... seed 2)

If it's anything like the MS, that really is just a pretty number :whistle:

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 03:58
One more thing , why is there no men's team foil and women's team epee in the schedule ? Am i missing something big ?

Red
-13th August 2008, 04:05
One more thing , why is there no men's team foil and women's team epee in the schedule ? Am i missing something big ?

Yes. You are.

The IOC let the FIE hold a women's sabre competition, but didn't give them medals for twelve events.

Coup Lance
-13th August 2008, 04:10
German coach just carded for coaching. See they do card for it abroad!

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 04:12
Yes. You are.

The IOC let the FIE hold a women's sabre competition, but didn't give them medals for twelve events.

How come they do that ? Men's Foil team is the most exciting event:(

Red
-13th August 2008, 04:18
And in the best traditions of MF, it looks like everythings going to be at least 20 minutes behind schedule :rolleyes:

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 04:21
And in the best traditions of MF, it looks like everythings going to be at least 20 minutes behind schedule :rolleyes:

But why did they choose MF and WE over other weapons :confused:

Red
-13th August 2008, 04:38
Because.

The slightly longer answer is that the events are now on a rotation with one weapon of each sex missing out every four years. There will always be two men's and two women's and at least one each of foil, epee and sabre.

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 04:46
Because.

The slightly longer answer is that the events are now on a rotation with one weapon of each sex missing out every four years. There will always be two men's and two women's and at least one each of foil, epee and sabre.

Thank you for ur answers :not_worth :not_worth :not_worth

Red
-13th August 2008, 04:52
And Richard is out to Joppich according to the venue's PA.

Score was 10-9 having been behind for most of the fight. He drew level towards the end and lost in the extra minute according to yonder stats - http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/FE/C75I/FEM001000.shtml#FEM001503

And 54 seconds of the extra minute elapsed.... Ouch...

shepherd
-13th August 2008, 04:55
no.........another GBR fencer lost by 1 point

Coup Lance
-13th August 2008, 04:55
Kruse out 10 - 9 to Jopich in the 16 :(. Took him to the wire though showing just how outstanding Richard is

Red
-13th August 2008, 04:58
And Richard is out to Joppich according to the venue's PA.

Score was 10-9 having been behind for most of the fight. He drew level towards the end and lost in the extra minute according to yonder stats - http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/FE/C75I/FEM001000.shtml#FEM001503

And 54 seconds of the extra minute elapsed.... Ouch...

Wrong link - this one's the one I meant http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/FE/C73I/FEM001408.shtml#FEM001408

rpryer
-13th August 2008, 06:06
Taking the World Champion and World number 1 to the extra minute is an oustanding performance. How far could he have gone if the draw was a little kinder?

Spider5
-13th August 2008, 06:25
Taking the World Champion and World number 1 to the extra minute is an oustanding performance. How far could he have gone if the draw was a little kinder?

Kruse and O'Connell have shown that they are not fazed by taking on higher ranked fencers in the Olympics and in Kruse's case, neutralising a potential champion after a period with injury. Excellent attitude and one that will surely yield results up to 2012 and beyond.

I watched Chris Boardman commentating on the womens cycling time trial and he mentioned that the cycling team had mini-teams focussed around the athletes to the point where they rode scenarios before the races (that included Nicole Cooke's drop off from the leading group to avoid a crash). It also included identifying the Beijing course 6 months ago as one that suited Emma Pouley in the time trial because of the unusually large amount of hill section. Presumably similar processes can be applied in fencing although the number of variables to consider are an order of magnitude greater.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 06:39
Really gutted for Richard, but running Joppich that close is a great effort.

Some shocks in the L8- Joppich out to Ota and Cassara out to Zhu (bet Baldini is crying into his morning expresso :) ) Ota is a fantastic fencer to watch so really looking forward to his semi.

I'm backing Kleibrink to beat Sanzo in the final. Zhu with home support though..

Duncan Rowlands
-13th August 2008, 06:46
And Richard is out to Joppich according to the venue's PA.

Score was 10-9 having been behind for most of the fight. He drew level towards the end and lost in the extra minute according to yonder stats - http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/FE/C75I/FEM001000.shtml#FEM001503

And 54 seconds of the extra minute elapsed.... Ouch...

Anyone know who had priority? The score card on the internet doesn't show it.

fencingmum
-13th August 2008, 07:57
Sorry for both Alex and Richard, but they did really well. Next time!!

fencingmum
-13th August 2008, 07:58
Sorry for both Alex and Richard, but they did really well. How close can you get! Next time!!

27ab1c
-13th August 2008, 09:20
Anyone know who had priority? The score card on the internet doesn't show it.

Joppich. Seems it was a s**t or bust attack.

Harty
-13th August 2008, 09:26
Ricky was on BBC a few mins ago. A short, but good piece about him in the foil and Richard spoke well to camera. Joppich had priority in the final min, which obviously didn't help.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 10:17
Kleibring dominating Zhu 7-2. Zhu's point control letting him down- too many off targets.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 10:21
Giving him a proper hiding 11-2. JKleibrink aggressive in his long, almost broken timed, attacks and in defense.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 10:31
15-4- Kleibrink looking good. Women foilists should take note of how to attack aggressively...

MatFink
-13th August 2008, 10:53
Well the gauntlet has been thrown down so to speak for Leon Paul.

Ota has a mask with a bib that registers as valid and its design is very elegant no lame in sight lol

Harty
-13th August 2008, 11:05
Matfink - relevance to this thread?

Birds epeeists just carded for passivity - what a truly bollocks rule it is.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 11:07
After such a great exhibition of new timings MF, back down to a bump with the unspeakably dull WE...

MatFink
-13th August 2008, 11:25
Matfink - relevance to this thread?

Birds epeeists just carded for passivity - what a truly bollocks rule it is.

In case anyone missed it or just doesn't understand a basic bit of jesting

There is a rule coming in making part of the bib valid target. In the semi Ota's bib registered valid and he lost a hit because of it!!!

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 11:44
After such a great exhibition of new timings MF, back down to a bump with the unspeakably dull WE...

Have to say the second semi between the Romanian and the Hungarian is an absolute corker though..

MatFink
-13th August 2008, 11:50
Well lets just say I won't be surprised to she her dad moustachless and with a shaved head later this week if she fences like that in the final as well.

(Its their little tradition and he has ended up bald on several occassions to my memory)

Should be an excellent final.

To give Heidemann credit in first semi Li Na is incredibly difficult to attack and is very negative in her tactics so its hard to produce a classic, in addition Britta was using a lot of unorthodox manouveres to score her hits, so although it wasn't EXCITING it was tactically fansinating.

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 11:55
To give Heidemann credit in first semi Li Na is incredibly difficult to attack and is very negative in her tactics so its hard to produce a classic, in addition Britta was using a lot of unorthodox manouveres to score her hits, so although it wasn't EXCITING it was tactically fansinating.

One for the purists eh?!

Can't wait for the MF to start again!

pqg
-13th August 2008, 11:56
After such a great exhibition of new timings MF, back down to a bump with the unspeakably dull WE...
Could still be made exciting with the right commentary. Consider it like a sprint race at the velodrome - the first 3/4 is all about slow maneuvering in an attempt to take an advantage into the frantic activity of the finish. ;)

(Score in that first semi-final was 0-0 at end of first period, 2-3 at end of 2nd, 10-9 with 20 seconds remaining in the 3rd, and finished 15-13!)

pigeonmeister
-13th August 2008, 12:27
Sanzo takes bronze- thought Zhu VERY unlucky. Seriously unconvinced by a reposte awarded to Sanzo to level at 14 all.

Harty
-13th August 2008, 12:27
In case anyone missed it or just doesn't understand a basic bit of jesting

There is a rule coming in making part of the bib valid target. In the semi Ota's bib registered valid and he lost a hit because of it!!!

Fair enough.

Zhu was robbed. If that wasn't his attack on the penultimate hit then I don't know what it was!

german_fencer
-13th August 2008, 12:41
So come on Benni Kleibrink and Britta Heidemann. Go for Gold :)
Hate that time difference, can't see one final live...

Red
-13th August 2008, 12:59
You can watch them both live here now - http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/

It's on channel 4

Red
-13th August 2008, 13:07
Wow, we do believe in corps-a-corps again. Ota has so far received a yellow and a red for it.

And now the ref calls halt for it, but does not card... Slightly inconsistent...

Harty
-13th August 2008, 13:11
It's odd that the ref and the cameras are on the blind-side. What is the reason? The crowd is on both sides so it can't be anything to do with that.

There also seems to be a lot of light flicks coming up. Sanzo had quite a few to shoulder in the bronze match. And Kleibrink's first hit was similarly light but to chest.

Red
-13th August 2008, 13:14
It's odd that the ref and the cameras are on the blind-side. What is the reason? The crowd is on both sides so it can't be anything to do with that.

There also seems to be a lot of light flicks coming up. Sanzo had quite a few to shoulder in the bronze match. And Kleibrink's first hit was similarly light but to chest.

First called goes to the right. Kleibrink was in the top half of the draw so is first called.