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Rumplestiltskin
-12th August 2008, 18:35
Having been massively inspired by Alex & Martina (& Richard soon) in Beijing, I have been pondering the route to greatness in fencing. From what I can glean from the BFA website (and disregarding all of the political stuff), I reckon that (for seniors):
1. Get into GB top 20
2. Tell the weapons committee that you want to go & fence for GB
3. Do super well
4. Go to a qualifier & qualify

This will all clearly take a lot more hard work and talent than most of us have and by putting it into steps, I'm not intending to make it seem easy or in any way play down the excellent achievements of our Olympians.

Am I way wide of the mark?

Thanks

hokers
-12th August 2008, 20:18
1. Get into GB top 20
2. Tell the weapons committee that you want to go & fence for GB
3. Do super well
4. Go to a qualifier & qualify

Am I way wide of the mark?


Depends if the selection is still discretionary or not. You could be #1 in the rankings and not get selected at the moment. As you can imagine this is somewhat difficult to understand/accept for many people.

fencingmaster
-12th August 2008, 21:20
Amend 1. 2. 3. 4. to read 2. 3. 4. 5. and insert "1. get financing for 2.3.4.5."

pinkelephant
-12th August 2008, 22:48
Depends if the selection is still discretionary or not. You could be #1 in the rankings and not get selected at the moment. As you can imagine this is somewhat difficult to understand/accept for many people.

Not true. You could be number FOUR in the rankings and not get selected for A grades.


FIE GRAND PRIX/WORLD CUP (A-GRADE)
COMPETITIONS

18. Entry to FIE Grand Prix/World Cup (A-grade) competitions will be
governed by the conditions of the particular competition and/or FIE
regulations and any fencer must meet any such conditions/regulation to
be considered for selection.
19. Selection for FIE Grand Prix/World Cup (A-grade) competitions is a
matter for the Performance Director and selectors for each weapon and
selection will normally be restricted to any fencer in the top 20 of the
home rankings but the Performance Director and Selectors may in their
absolute discretion and for good reason select a fencer for any
competition who is not ranked in the top 20. The Selectors will use
competition results based on the previous 12 month period on the date
of selection to obtain this ranking. They reserve the right to ignore
results if they are unable to obtain full details, either from the
competition organisers for home competitions, or from the fencers
concerned for overseas competitions.
20. If at least five of the top-eight ranked fencers, at the date of selection,
wish to enter a nominated Grand Prix/World Cup (‘A’ Grade) event then
the selectors/weapon committee should arrange for a referee to be sent
and ideally a full team of 9 (or more, in accordance with FIE quota
rules) should be sent. However, especially for competitions outside the
European Zone, if it proves impossible to identify a referee to attend the

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nominated Grand Prix/World Cup (‘A’ Grade), due to reasons such as
time or cost, then the selectors will restrict the entry to a maximum of 4.
21. The top three ranked fencers will be automatically entitled to be
selected. Any fencer ranked below three will be subject to selection at
the Performance Director and selectors’ discretion, who in their
absolute discretion may take other factors other than ranking positions
into account, provided that no manifest unfairness is caused to any
other fencer. Priority may be given to Olympic Pathway fencers.
22. Fencers competing in any associated World Cup Team event shall be
automatically selected for the individual event. In any event of conflict
between this requirement and those described in paras. 20/21 then this
requirement will have precedence. Selection for World Cup Team
events at each weapon will be made by the Performance Director in
consultation with the weapon selectors.
23. In making any selection decision the selectors shall not be obliged to
have regard to the fact that selection (or non-selection) may affect a
fencer’s ranking in any other ranking scheme (Cadet, Junior, World
etc.).

Red
-13th August 2008, 00:36
Depends if the selection is still discretionary or not. You could be #1 in the rankings and not get selected at the moment. As you can imagine this is somewhat difficult to understand/accept for many people.

The #1 in question did go to a Grand Prix and a World Cup.
The event in question was the Europeans and a standard of 2 L64 or 1 L32 was required (according to the same document PE is quoting http://www.britishfencing.com/Attachments/1178_Senior%20Ranking%20Rules%202007-8-final-V3.pdf ). Nobody made the standard and the three people that had 1 L64 (even a 'non-scoring' one) went as did the fencer deemed most appropriate for the team as covered by the second para. 32.

hokers
-13th August 2008, 08:14
So I was right then. You CAN be #1 and not selected.

Marcos
-13th August 2008, 09:23
Having been massively inspired by Alex & Martina (& Richard soon) in Beijing, I have been pondering the route to greatness in fencing. From what I can glean from the BFA website (and disregarding all of the political stuff), I reckon that (for seniors):
1. Get into GB top 20
2. Tell the weapons committee that you want to go & fence for GB
3. Do super well
4. Go to a qualifier & qualify

This will all clearly take a lot more hard work and talent than most of us have and by putting it into steps, I'm not intending to make it seem easy or in any way play down the excellent achievements of our Olympians.

Am I way wide of the mark?

Thanks

before the thread gets bogged down, forget the minutiae of qualification criteria....you are basically right

I don't know what you standard is, but break-up the journey with milestones you want to achieve by when....

Top 50 by Christmas? Top 20 within 18months?

Think what you need to do in terms of coaching, clubs to train in, comps to go to.....and happy hunting

DSSabre
-13th August 2008, 12:13
Red

There were reasons behind this. If you are in the top three you are selected.

David

Rumplestiltskin
-13th August 2008, 19:54
Thanks rory for accusing me of trolling, the perfect example of inclusivity and sportsmanship.

I've been fencing for a little while but ony done two seasons of actual competitions on the circuit (aiming for one per month) and I've managed to get into the top 50. I will never be good enough to get much better but having defected from another sport where selection criteria are laid out absolutely at the beginning of a season (then changed part way through when the "wrong people" have qualified) I just wondered how it is done in fencing.
I am in awe of all of our Olympians, especially the fencers and to be so so so close to going through to the second round must be devastating. They brought a lump to my throat anyway.

Captchris
-16th August 2008, 13:21
Stupid Question: What's 'trolling'?

Baldric
-16th August 2008, 14:08
Stupid Question: What's 'trolling'?

Trolling - verb - posting argumentative or inflammatory messages on Internet forums in the hope of starting a row.

Troll - noun - someone who does the above.

Captchris
-16th August 2008, 19:01
Trolling - verb - posting argumentative or inflammatory messages on Internet forums in the hope of starting a row.

Troll - noun - someone who does the above.

he he! I see!