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Rdb811
-9th September 2008, 15:04
A couple of pieces about judo and the aftermath from Peking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/judo/7598940.stm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/olympics/2008/09/where_judo_grapples_others_wil.html

Second article is probably the most relevant.

PM1
-9th September 2008, 19:56
VERY interesting...especially the comments after the second article. Thanks, Rog.

munkey
-9th September 2008, 23:50
Interesting? Definitely. Relevant? Not so sure.

The figures quoted are way in excess of anything fencing has received in funding from UK Sport and has been running far longer. I simply don't see us getting 5 million for a specialist training centre nor the budget for coaching, physio and strength & conditioning staff. Our current 1m for Olympic pathway seems massive compared to what we've had previously but is tiny compared to judo. Besides, our elite squad already seems far more centralised than judo. In addition, the level of Athlete Personal Awards given to fencers isn't enough to make full-time training in London viable hence we have part-time fencers trying their best (and making progress) as one of the poor relations of UK Sport. If we produce a medal in 2012 it will be minor miracle given the level of funding and the length of time Pathway program will have has to run (5.5 years). Perhaps we should club together and get our Pathway fencers bikes for Christmas!

Munkey

DSSabre
-11th September 2008, 09:23
I have to disagree, i think that with the current set up and funding it is possible for two teams to medal in London and possibly one or two individuals as well. The question is how we will fair after the next performance and funding review by UK sport.

DS

munkey
-11th September 2008, 11:26
I have to disagree, i think that with the current set up and funding it is possible for two teams to medal in London and possibly one or two individuals as well. The question is how we will fair after the next performance and funding review by UK sport.

DS

Disagree if you like. I hope you are right. However, if you compare the budget for fencing and the length of time the Pathway program will run with medal-winning GB teams at Beijing we are unlikely to produce the level of success certainly that you envisage and a medal of any description would be a triumph against the odds.

What a gloomy git I am sometimes!

Munkey

DSSabre
-11th September 2008, 12:38
Winning a certain Olympic medal in the team events is winning two fights, three at most. With the right training and support structure i am sure we can do it. I have to be or why would i still be involved with the sport at elite level?

DS

Ronald Velden
-11th September 2008, 22:28
Judo is a sport, which as the article suggests has a lot of combatants at
varying levels. In contrast to fencing it has received funding not just for
its Olympic Pathway Programme but for grass roots sport through Sports
England albeit that they did hit some problems there in last funding round.

I think that it is clear not just in Britain that sports with centralised/focussed
elite training do better than others. You need only take a look at France
whose National Squads are based at INSEP in Paris.

What is perhaps also important is that Britain employs National Coaches who
are capable of producing the best results from those fencers who have a
realistic chance of qualifying. This is called 'Value Added'!