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Robert
-24th November 2003, 18:00
Our club has some internal competitions and myself and another member of the committee were thinking of different competion formats we could introduce. The idea is to get a variety of fairly formal (ie with trophies) tournaments throughout the year.

At the moment we have; M&W Foil, Mixed Sabre, Mixed Epee, Junior Foil (with age categories). Two new ideas we came up with are a one-hit epee tournament and a team foil competition (each team to contain a lady and an under-18).

Any other formats people use at their clubs?

Robert

SpamMonkey
-24th November 2003, 21:26
I don't know how widespread this is, but I went to an enjoyable tournament where each team had a foilist, epeeist and sabreur. Each 'specialist' fights the corresponding specialist in the opposing team.

The sequence of weapons was decided by the roll of a die for each match - to discourage clubs with multiple teams from trying to strategically spread their stronger fencers.

It made for a fast moving and fun competition.

Regards

SM

doobarz
-24th November 2003, 21:46
Spammonkey's format has is similar to the Christopherson-Holdsworth Trophey that Durham Uni organise annually. See www/dur.ac.uk/fencing for meore I suppose.

At Bedford we have a weekly Obligation fight system, wher eyou are drawn against two other fencers, and fence them at a weapon and for a number of hits decided between you. You get three points for a win, and two for taking part, which are scor3ed over each term and also the whole year.

Australian
-24th November 2003, 22:48
Originally posted by SpamMonkey
I don't know how widespread this is, but I went to an enjoyable tournament where each team had a foilist, epeeist and sabreur. Each 'specialist' fights the corresponding specialist in the opposing team.

The sequence of weapons was decided by the roll of a die for each match - to discourage clubs with multiple teams from trying to strategically spread their stronger fencers.

It made for a fast moving and fun competition.

Regards

SM

thats an italian relay..... but there should be 6 fencers, one from each weapon, male and female :)

SpamMonkey
-24th November 2003, 23:26
Originally posted by Australian
thats an italian relay..... but there should be 6 fencers, one from each weapon, male and female :)

Or, given that there weren't six fencers in each team, I suppose you could conclude that it wasn't an Italian relay...

Only kidding, good to know what it's called.

SM

Rdb811
-24th November 2003, 23:57
We have seated sabre which works very well and outdoor steam sabre at the garden party plus one hit epee and the usual weapons events plus steam novices foil (one year experience). We ar thinking of some kind of mixed ability event.

Australian
-25th November 2003, 02:44
Originally posted by SpamMonkey
Or, given that there weren't six fencers in each team, I suppose you could conclude that it wasn't an Italian relay...

Only kidding, good to know what it's called.

SM

quiet you :tongue:

Gav
-25th November 2003, 07:09
One of the most enjoyable formats that IU have ever competed in is the 48er. I can't remember exactly how it works (will ask around) but you need 8 poules of 6. Initial seeding is random. Then after that it's all done by results from the pools. You prgressively split down through each round, moving people up or down poules depending on results and at the end of te day the winner and runner up in every poule gets a medal. A whole days fencing, plenty of medals and it's traditional to go for a meal afterwards! Great format.

Australian
-25th November 2003, 07:30
Originally posted by Gav
One of the most enjoyable formats that IU have ever competed in is the 48er. I can't remember exactly how it works (will ask around) but you need 8 poules of 6. Initial seeding is random. Then after that it's all done by results from the pools. You prgressively split down through each round, moving people up or down poules depending on results and at the end of te day the winner and runner up in every poule gets a medal. A whole days fencing, plenty of medals and it's traditional to go for a meal afterwards! Great format.

something like the bottom 2 get relegated and the top 2 get promoted to the corresponding poule?

Marcos
-25th November 2003, 08:38
you can play with formats, but what is great is different locations - spoken on the forum about comps on beaches, castles, etc.

Have an end of season internal comp out in a park, someone's garden, get a BBQ going.....


....BBQ......hungry.....:homer2:

anyway, free your mind!

Gav
-25th November 2003, 09:22
Originally posted by Australian
something like the bottom 2 get relegated and the top 2 get promoted to the corresponding poule?

Yeah. There are a number of rounds.

Exgeordielass
-25th November 2003, 10:35
Originally posted by Robert
Our club has some internal competitions and myself and another member of the committee were thinking of different competion formats we could introduce. The idea is to get a variety of fairly formal (ie with trophies) tournaments throughout the year.

At the moment we have; M&W Foil, Mixed Sabre, Mixed Epee, Junior Foil (with age categories). Two new ideas we came up with are a one-hit epee tournament and a team foil competition (each team to contain a lady and an under-18).

Any other formats people use at their clubs?

Robert

We also run a Club Handicap Foil Competition for all members, handicap set by the Committee and worked out by various arcane methods. Was won by a beginner last year, virtually straight off the beginners course.

We also hold a Club Novice Foil Competition, for fencers with three years experience or less.

Both are very popular with our less experienced fencers and we try and run them both electric.

I like your idea of a team foil competition, we might try that!:scott1:

Australian
-25th November 2003, 10:42
Originally posted by Gav
Yeah. There are a number of rounds.

i like that idea...... :)

Gav
-25th November 2003, 10:53
Originally posted by Australian
i like that idea...... :)

It's a really neat format because everyone is still in at the end. You can play it tactically to time your entry into the top poule in time to steal the top gold. I'll ask around and see if I can locate a write up of how it works. Try it out, it really works well.

Sophie
-25th November 2003, 14:23
team relay competitions are good:

teams of 3 (same weapon) each team member fences all members of the opposing team (i.e. 9 fights per match). First fight is first to 5 hits, second fight picks up the score from the first fight and the fight is first to 10 etc etc (first team to 45 hits). This is the format they use in the team events at the Olympics etc.

I'm sure someone will post and explain this better than I have....!

michel
-25th November 2003, 14:35
Originally posted by Gav
One of the most enjoyable formats that IU have ever competed in is the 48er. I can't remember exactly how it works (will ask around) but you need 8 poules of 6. Initial seeding is random. Then after that it's all done by results from the pools. You prgressively split down through each round, moving people up or down poules depending on results and at the end of te day the winner and runner up in every poule gets a medal. A whole days fencing, plenty of medals and it's traditional to go for a meal afterwards! Great format.

I've heard about such a format with a student competition in Germany.
It was in the early 90's, and there were 72 fencers in the tournament.
First round : 12 pools of 6, the best 2 go to level 1 in round 2, the last 2 in level 2, and the other 2 in level 3.
Second round : I think there were 9 pools of 8, 3 per level, the first 4 of each pool in each level go to big pools of 12 (and the same thing for last 4), in which matches already fenced in round 2 weren't fenced again but the results of these matches were taken in account in the big pool.
Third round : 6 pools of 12, the 4 best of each pool of level 1 fenced for places 1-12, the 4 last of each pool of level 1 fenced for places 13-24 and so on for level 2 and 3

So everybody fenced 20 matches during the competition.

randomsabreur
-25th November 2003, 15:44
My club just did a 4w team event (MF, WF, E, S) I know this isn't a full 6W team, but given that the shortage of women meant 2 teams had to scratch, we would have had almost no teams if each team needed to find 3.

There is a general lack of women fencers in this country which can cause problems if we want to do full 6W teams.

I even had to fence foil. I was so tired after, and so many sore muscles.

I have now got great respect for foilist, I am just not fit enough. It was bad when I got to the point of lying down in the 1 min break. Damned relay system where you have to use time so as not to lose too horribly!