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Bokkie
-15th June 2009, 08:53
What is the policy on doping at vets competitions? I have a book which has a discussion on the ethics of doping. When I subscribed to BF I signed a declaration about doping. Like many veteran fencers - I'm 55 - I am at an age where I have to take regular medication some of which might fall foul of doping regulations. For example, beta blockers have been suggested as being illegal, as is insulin, both of which I take for medical conditions. At 55 I'm not exactly going to be selected for the Olympics. Are the regulations rigidly applied in vets competitions or are allowances made for medications that are essential to many people in our age range 40+.

Depending on the answer, I might need to scale back the amount of cocaine and EPO I use. I had thought of doing the Tour de France where it still seems that anything goes.:D

JulianRose
-15th June 2009, 09:07
you can a TUE form from the BFA website which needs to be completed by your doctor and sent to BFA. you will need to search on the drug database, which i seem to remember you can link to from the british fencing website, to check which medications are banned from being used. There is information about exact process that is reasonably easy to follow.

would you want to be banned from fencing for 2 years just because you didn't get one done?!

Slowhand
-15th June 2009, 09:24
Details on the regulations are available on the BFA website at

http://www.britishfencing.com/British_Fencing.asp?PageID=105

The Drug Information Database was withdrawn on 1 January 2009 but a replacement should be available shortly. In the meantime, the status of medications can be checked by brand or ingredients at:

http://www.100percentme.co.uk/1162212006.747/1229598406.699/?PHPSESSID=6d35e66cec69f20f0011fb046aaadb39

Linda L
-15th June 2009, 11:52
If you are worried about the Veterans World Championships the rules are different. Although Medal winners ARE drug tested.

When you attend you have to list the medication you are taking, I would suggest that the British Fencing Web site rules may not fully apply to Veteran Competitions.

If you need further clarification email any of the NVA Vets committee and we will send you details concerning medication.

Clare Halstead is a member of the Vets and we can ask her opinion.

Some of our fencers are 80 plus and a strict no medication rule would stop most fencers of that age.

miker
-15th June 2009, 15:12
beta blockers have been suggested as being illegal

BB's are illegal in Modern Pentathlon where the therapeutic effects lead to improved steadiness of hand for shooting events.

The effects of BB's for fencing are to slow the heart rate (and reduce blood pressure) and thereby reduce oxygenation of muscles and aerobic performance.

Try warming up and fencing around 1-2 hours after you take your dose. Not a pleasant and satisfying experience.

Compare with warm-up & fencing in the evening 12 hours later. Piece of cake.

I do not take BBs morning of a comp but immediately after. (Note this is not sanctioned by my GP. :dont:)

Bokkie
-15th June 2009, 16:53
...Try warming up and fencing around 1-2 hours after you take your dose. Not a pleasant and satisfying experience.

Compare with warm-up & fencing in the evening 12 hours later. Piece of cake.

I do not take BBs morning of a comp but immediately after. (Note this is not sanctioned by my GP. :dont:)

My BBs are low dosage 3mg taken AM. I've never tried any exercise at that time of morning and like you say, I'm perfectly ok when I exercise in the afternoon and evening.

randomsabreur
-15th June 2009, 21:15
Anyone know if the drugs used for a general anaesthetic are banned substances, and how long they remain in the system. Suspect the query is rather irrelevant though, as chances of actually being at the nationals other than as a referee are looking limited - hence the question...

pinkelephant
-15th June 2009, 21:26
I'm just trying to visualise a general anaesthetic as a performance enhancing drug.:confused:

Baldric
-15th June 2009, 22:30
I'm just trying to visualise a general anaesthetic as a performance enhancing drug.:confused:

I reffed a couple of fights at the Portsmouth & Southsea LPJS where I am convinced both fencers were experimenting with the idea :D

J_D
-16th June 2009, 13:57
Having had a youngster going hyper after some sherbet yesterday perhaps sugar ought to be a banned substance too...

funkygibbon
-17th June 2009, 12:21
I am desperately trying to avoid making jokes about "veterans", "performance enhancing drugs" and "Viagra".

Darn it....

Nick_C
-20th June 2009, 20:03
Anyone know if the drugs used for a general anaesthetic are banned substances, and how long they remain in the system. Suspect the query is rather irrelevant though, as chances of actually being at the nationals other than as a referee are looking limited - hence the question...

My understanding of GA inducers etc is that they tend to leave the body within a few minutes of being put in. I dont know if they're technically banned or not, but seeings as they would impair performance, i consider it unlikely.

I too have tried beta blockers (in a pharmacology practical) and was told to try walking up a flight of stairs. I think i got up about three steps and had to stop for a rest...

Bokkie
-25th July 2009, 08:53
I am desperately trying to avoid making jokes about "veterans", "performance enhancing drugs" and "Viagra".

Darn it....

Fencers have more than one sword to look after.;)

Linda L
-27th July 2009, 09:14
What is the policy on doping at vets competitions? I have a book which has a discussion on the ethics of doping. When I subscribed to BF I signed a declaration about doping. Like many veteran fencers - I'm 55 - I am at an age where I have to take regular medication some of which might fall foul of doping regulations. For example, beta blockers have been suggested as being illegal, as is insulin, both of which I take for medical conditions. At 55 I'm not exactly going to be selected for the Olympics. Are the regulations rigidly applied in vets competitions or are allowances made for medications that are essential to many people in our age range 40+.

Depending on the answer, I might need to scale back the amount of cocaine and EPO I use. I had thought of doing the Tour de France where it still seems that anything goes.:D


To: "John Mason" <john@jrmason.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: NVA Sub]
Dear John,
There should be no testing at Vets event as the FIE specifically do not
require this. There is no testing in the UK and normally not at any
international championships.
If by any chance a country does decide to test, any fencer tested can then
apply for a retroactive TUE.

I advise all veteran fencers going abroad to check if their medication is on
the WADA prohibited list (in competition) and, if it is, simply to keep with
them some evidence that it has been prescribed by their doctor eg the
prescription counterfoil.

Hope this is helpful

Clare
----- Original Message -----

fencerbill
-25th September 2009, 16:19
I have some personal experience, from several years ago, with getting "busted" at Vets World Championships dope tests. I had listed the medications at the times of the tests, fortunately. In time, I received letters from the FIE saying I could keep my medals. So they do give consideration to the medical needs of we relicts.