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Exgeordielass
-12th January 2004, 10:09
Corble Cup Men's Qualifying Event

What are the actual requirements for entering this event and is anyone going?

We picked up an entry form for this at an event and entered son, having heard it was good eperience from other fencing friends but I am concerned whether we should have entered him for this - the form doesn't say anything about having to enter via 'weapons committee' as on the BFA website. Is entry via weapon's committee only for the actual event itself?

:upset:

doobarz
-12th January 2004, 10:15
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Is entry via weapon's committee only for the actual event itself?

Yes. That is the instruction to the other Nations entering the A Grade. For British Fencers, the Weapon Committee automatically select the top 8 from the National Ranking, and then fill the rest of the places (to poules of 7) from the qualifiying event.

Requirements are therefore for a normal open, however, should you qualify for the A Grade you will need FIE Licence and full International Kit.

I think that you need at least a L16 to qualify from the event, think 17 might of got in last year to fill up the poules.

tigger
-12th January 2004, 11:10
The qualifying competition simply counts as an open tournament. The competition ends at the L16 stage, and all the L16 fencers go into the A grade. Sometimes extra fencers from 17 downwards are added to top up the pools. All fencers reaching the last 16 are counted as finishing 12th for points purposes.

As Doobarz says, you only need to worry about FIE kit/license etc if you make it through to the A grade. The standard of the qualifying is very variable. Sometimes it's fairly straightforward to get through, sometimes a nightmare...

hokers
-12th January 2004, 12:13
But if you qualified (not thinking that I actually would, just hypothetical) and didnt have an FIE licence/full FIE kit, could you still get points from the qualifying as a separate open, or would scratching from the main event mean none?

Cant get to sabrerankings.com at the moment to look at last years. :( What's the NIF likely to be, I'm guessing quite high?

hokers

Exgeordielass
-12th January 2004, 15:01
Thanks for your replies, that makes me far happier. Something like the Leciester or the Bristol in difficulty then? Don't think we will have to worry about the FIE license bit quite yet. ;)

Points now, that would be good. How bigs is the entry usually I wonder? Any info would be useful :)

doobarz
-12th January 2004, 16:30
Originally posted by hokers
But if you qualified (not thinking that I actually would, just hypothetical) and didnt have an FIE licence/full FIE kit, could you still get points from the qualifying as a separate open, or would scratching from the main event mean none?


Counts as a seperate Open.

The NIF is pretty good generally - the other 2 from the top 10 aree usually there, who don't have auto entry.

I think the entry was about 40 last year, so was pretty tough...

Rdb811
-12th January 2004, 23:01
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Thanks for your replies, that makes me far happier. Something like the Leciester or the Bristol in difficulty then? Don't think we will have to worry about the FIE license bit quite yet. ;)

Points now, that would be good. How bigs is the entry usually I wonder? Any info would be useful :)

The year I did it the entry was 45 and the standard very stiff. The points are stop at teh last 16 since teh last stages aren't fenced. You can buy the license between the qualifying and main event - I remebr Dan Morgan- Blake coming from nowheer that year into the L64.

kitten
-13th January 2004, 13:11
OoOoOo v exciting -
will be good experience for him, let me know if he gets though! ;)
xox


Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Corble Cup Men's Qualifying Event

What are the actual requirements for entering this event and is anyone going?

We picked up an entry form for this at an event and entered son, having heard it was good eperience from other fencing friends but I am concerned whether we should have entered him for this - the form doesn't say anything about having to enter via 'weapons committee' as on the BFA website. Is entry via weapon's committee only for the actual event itself?

:upset:

hokers
-21st January 2004, 15:25
Right I've entered, what the hell. Might not get any points, and in fact will have to scratch should I manage to qualify, due to lack of FIE kit/licence, but I do want to fence (and watch) some of the better sabreurs, many of them only seem to be at the top 6 comps every year.

Goal for the year is top 50, and at least one L32 in a major open.

Got to pick up some blades in a hurry after breaking my spare at Kingston last night :(. Scary stuff though, I didnt notice (was right near the tip), nor did the president. Good job my opponent did though!

Marcos
-21st January 2004, 15:38
same thing happened to me at a comp before xmas - only noticed when I attempted a remise after attack was parried...didn't hit - looked at my sword and noticed that the top 3 inches were missing.

Duellist have some nice electric blue blades in and are pretty cheap.

hokers
-21st January 2004, 21:36
True, but theres no chance of me getting to Twickenham before Saturday morning. Am going to see the new PBT franchisee tomorrow :D

Exgeordielass
-25th January 2004, 10:18
Was very impressed by venue for this and the competition ran very well - son even made it through to the main event so very well worth going. Good luck to all those British fencers still fencing on the Sunday.

doobarz
-25th January 2004, 16:14
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Was very impressed by venue for this

Shame about the finals hall, but I agree that the organisation was spot on - well done to all concerned. Shame they couldn't of organised my poule a bit better...

Rdb811
-25th January 2004, 17:34
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Was very impressed by venue for this and the competition ran very well - son even made it through to the main event so very well worth going. Good luck to all those British fencers still fencing on the Sunday.

Fantastic.

Exgeordielass
-25th January 2004, 18:05
Originally posted by Rdb811
Fantastic.

Thanks :grin:

Jambo
-25th January 2004, 21:11
Originally posted by doobarz
Shame about the finals hall

Yup, that ruined what would have been a very well run comp. Had a very good weekend, even considering that due to poor performance most of it was drinking/photographing!

Got some v nice photo's to come when I have the time to process and down size them.

UglyBug
-25th January 2004, 21:18
Lots of Brits in the L32 this year - is that the best number of L32s (and above) GBR have had?

Exgeordielass
-25th January 2004, 21:47
Originally posted by Jambo
Yup, that ruined what would have been a very well run comp. Had a very good weekend, even considering that due to poor performance most of it was drinking/photographing!

Got some v nice photo's to come when I have the time to process and down size them.


Originally posted by doobarz
Shame about the finals hall, but I agree that the organisation was spot on - well done to all concerned. Shame they couldn't of organised my poule a bit better...

Think Hokers would agree with you on the poule. I suppose my view is biaised as I mostly took in the pleasant bar, food and cleanliness! There also seemed enough room for spectators to stand around and support. What was wrong with the hall for fencing, apart from it being very cold to start with?

Should add in my opinion the most exciting fight of the qualifiers was between David Sach and Murray Morrison in the last 32 - David winning 15-14 with nearly all in the hall gathered round to watch.:rambo: Pleased to hear the Brits did well on the Sunday. Looking forward to seeing the results.

doobarz
-25th January 2004, 22:26
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
What was wrong with the hall for fencing, apart from it being very cold to start with?

The finals (L4) were held in the Prep. school, in which the first 3 rows of seating were reserved (mayor, FIE officials etc). There were pillars, so the rest of us could not see the whole piste, and there were not enough seats for everyone. Last year, a finals piste was constructed in the main hall at Brentwood, which was much better, though when I returned to collect my bag, trampolinging was happening, whcih I guess may of had something to do with it.

The Sach vs Morrison fight was good, but the Williams vs Morgan Blake fight was pretty good too....

hokers
-26th January 2004, 09:19
Yes I have to agree about our poule doobarz, 6 of the top 70, including 2 top 25 AND Sach :(
I went out to Murray in the L64, lets just say I would have presided the fight a little differently...

Congratulations to Chris as well, could easily have had a second victory in the A grade poules, not bad for 15 yrs old and outside the senior top 100!

What were the results then, who won, best brit etc?

Exgeordielass
-26th January 2004, 09:53
Originally posted by doobarz
The finals (L4) were held in the Prep. school, in which the first 3 rows of seating were reserved (mayor, FIE officials etc). There were pillars, so the rest of us could not see the whole piste, and there were not enough seats for everyone.

The Sach vs Morrison fight was good, but the Williams vs Morgan Blake fight was pretty good too....

That doesn't sound good, what a shame and such a contrast to the Saturday.


Do you know the result and score of Williams vs Morgan Blake, Doobarz? Would have been good to see some more of the actual Cup. Shame they don't hold it at Guildford anymore.

randomsabreur
-26th January 2004, 10:08
Congrats to Tigger. Nice one on the L32

UglyBug
-26th January 2004, 11:39
And well done Alex O'Connell - isn't he only 15? He must be one of the youngest to pick up a L32 at a Senior A-Grade.

If I remember rightly, I think James Williams got a L16, Farren, Salfield, Buxton, O'Connell, Morgan-Blake were L32, Sach, Flood, Rose, Crutchett and Watson were L64, but I'm pretty sure I've missed some people out - don't know what happened to Vernau and HUtchison

UglyBug
-26th January 2004, 11:43
http://www.fie.ch/Competitions/ResultsList.aspx?Key=93FE7D268F8821BDB92E83682BDAE 339

Actually the L64 is up on the FIE site - address above

Jambo
-26th January 2004, 17:25
Here's one photo. If someone can tell me how to put them in my actual post I'll put some more up.

doobarz
-26th January 2004, 21:39
Originally posted by Jambo
Here's one photo. If someone can tell me how to put them in my actual post I'll put some more up.

Looks like Williams vs Morgan Blake, yes? Was this one of those flying cuts that just landed? They were very impressive....

doobarz
-26th January 2004, 21:45
Originally posted by Exgeordielass
Do you know the result and score of Williams vs Morgan Blake, Doobarz?

James won, was close, maybe 13? I firget. A good fight though - Dan MB looking in very good form.

Jambo
-27th January 2004, 16:27
Originally posted by doobarz
Looks like Williams vs Morgan Blake, yes? Was this one of those flying cuts that just landed? They were very impressive....

Yes, and I it did. Amused to read another thread saying you cant take photos of fencing with a digital camera, I offer you exhibit A...!

hokers
-27th January 2004, 17:02
Good picture Jambo. Interesting to see DMB's body position at that point, dead straight, perfectly balanced, yet clearly changing direction at the time. At the same time, very difficult to read JW's distance on that attack, exactly how much further does it have to go? Damn I have to go practice my footwork some more :(

Pictures need to be uploaded to some webspace somewhere, then use syntax something like:
"<IMG SRC ="http://webspace.com/whatever.jpg">"
(without the outer quotes)

I think thats it anyway.

Exgeordielass
-27th January 2004, 17:21
Originally posted by Jambo
Yes, and I it did. Amused to read another thread saying you cant take photos of fencing with a digital camera, I offer you exhibit A...!

A very impressive exhibit, too.

tigger
-27th January 2004, 17:30
The finals room was an utter joke. London is one of the greast capital cities of the world and we're lucky enough to have a World Cup sabre tournament which is also an Olympic qualifying event, and we hold the final in a prep school hall barely big enough to fit the piste in? and too low to safely have a raised piste? I think we can do a bit better.

The general organisation was good, and the main hall was OK for pools, L64s etc, but it could have been any hall anywhere in the UK. If cost is a problem, why hold the Corble in London? Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol all have excellent air links, and could provide some far more spectacular venues at a better price.

stevejackson
-27th January 2004, 20:22
Originally posted by tigger
The finals room was an utter joke. London is one of the greast capital cities of the world and we're lucky enough to have a World Cup sabre tournament which is also an Olympic qualifying event, and we hold the final in a prep school hall barely big enough to fit the piste in? and too low to safely have a raised piste? I think we can do a bit better.

The general organisation was good, and the main hall was OK for pools, L64s etc, but it could have been any hall anywhere in the UK. If cost is a problem, why hold the Corble in London? Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol all have excellent air links, and could provide some far more spectacular venues at a better price.

I agree Finals hall was too small, on other hand we had more outside people and press there than any other year and any other A grade I can remember except possibly the first Epee in Glasgow.

I doubt anywhere would give a better deal if what I heard about venue cost is correct, Hall sponsored by Brentwood school.

I've helped with the UK A grades in most of the venues over the past 10 years (I even remember helping with the Corble before it was an A Grade) and the sad truth seems to be we don't get the fencers support unless we can say we've a London venue. I know that for both Brentwood and Rickmondsworth we are stretching the truth a bit. The international fencers seem to react about venues outside London as British fencers did about Norwich.

I'm not even certain that a London venue will attrack top flight competitors even with Olympic qualification as a possibility. Call me cyncial, call me misinformed but are Korea, Spain, USA, and Thialand power houses in world sabre? What happened to the worlds top sabreurs? Where were the French, the Italians the Germans the Russian, the Poles, the Hungarians?

Jambo
-27th January 2004, 20:39
There were some Germans there and at least one French sabruer. Maybe not a hugely competitive A grade but hardly bad.

The final could have easily been held in the main hall, with far more space, I really dont understand why it wasnt. I also felt that five rows of reserved seating was slightly ridiculous. None of the fencers (unless you were associated with Brentwood) could see a thing, I know we have to encourage non-fencing spectators but that cant be at the cost of fencers who chose to stay on the support the final.

doobarz
-27th January 2004, 21:20
Originally posted by stevejackson
What happened to the worlds top sabreurs? Where were the French, the Italians the Germans the Russian, the Poles, the Hungarians?

4 Germans I think, at least one Pole and 1 Hungarian.

The USA are pretty big at the moment, the fact a Korean beat everyone else there must say something too....

As a British fencer who goes all over the Country, Brentwood is localish to me geographically, but I would of gone wherever it had been.

Internationally I belive it is considered 'small', but then most of the British A Grades are I think??

Was good to get dignitarys etc, but as we couldn't see what was happening (particularly why the red card was awarded in the final) I think it was unacceptable. However, thanks must go to Brentwood for supporting the event.

Incidentally, the red card was given as the guard made contact with the mask (I spoke to the ref afterwards).

tigger
-30th January 2004, 10:42
Actually Kothny (Thailand) has been in the top 10 in the world and is an Olympic medallist! Also Pillet was there (World champs medallist), Gael Touya, Smart (who's been world no 1), and a lot of other top 50 guys.

Rickmansworth is a great venue, looks the part and is more accessible. I just think the finals hall was a complete joke (and an embarressing one at that). better to have an unsponsored hall worthy of hosting the event!

tigger
-30th January 2004, 10:48
quote - Call me cyncial, call me misinformed but are Korea, Spain, USA, and Thialand power houses in world sabre? What happened to the worlds top sabreurs? Where were the French, the Italians the Germans the Russian, the Poles, the Hungarians?

Actually Kothny (Thailand) has been in the top 10 in the world and is an Olympic medallist! Also Pillet was there (World champs medallist), Gael Touya, Smart (who's been world no 1), and a lot of other top 50 guys. Medina (spain) is in the top 10, and Cesares is there or thereabouts. Bauer (Ger) has been in the top 10 and is still in the top 16. If we'd had the russians and hungarians I agree it would have been better, but it was still very strong. The strongest Corble I've been to. The balance of power in world fencing is shifting, and the 'old' countries aren't in total control any more. Oh (Kor) proved that by winning (all be it due to dodgy reffing!).

Rickmansworth is a great venue, looks the part and is more accessible. I just think the finals hall was a complete joke (and an embarrassing one at that). better to have an unsponsored hall worthy of hosting the event!

tigger
-30th January 2004, 10:50
Ignore the 1st post! Accidentally put that up b4 I'd finished!

stevejackson
-30th January 2004, 20:21
Tigger, was judging by last time I saw Worlds. Semis were a Russian and a Pole and 2 French. I think that was 03 but might have been 02.

I'm aware the world is changing but still did we have full teams from the closer European nations?

tigger
-1st February 2004, 21:48
No, but there were a lot of truly world class fencers there. I don't recall ever seeing full teams from all the closer Euro nations at the Corble. And don't you think we should reverse the argument aned say why should world class fencers come to an event that we choose to run in a third rate venue, with poor presentation and no prizes? I fenced in the final at the Amsterdam Coupe du Nord (not exactly a country famed for it's high level of fencing funding) and the presentation was excellent. The hall was no bigger or better, but the finals were run far more professionally than the corble at what appeared to be very little cost.

Prometheus
-1st February 2004, 23:03
Aha - that's it! Do they still have the palm trees strategically located around the hall Tigger?

Agree though - BFA need to become Very professional if they want to keep these things.

doobarz
-2nd February 2004, 07:10
Originally posted by Prometheus
Aha - that's it! Do they still have the palm trees strategically located around the hall?

An abundance of palm trees... and a car from the sponsor next to the finals piste....

tigger
-2nd February 2004, 09:50
They certainly do have the palm trees! Had to hack our way through to get on the finals piste...

Seriously though, it was the attention to a few details for the finals that made it feel like an important occasion. It's not difficult to do, and not expensive. It just takes a bit of imagination.

Lucan
-2nd February 2004, 10:03
This is what the Amsterdam Coupe du Nord was like.

Prometheus
-2nd February 2004, 10:57
The finals are held in an enclosed area with tiered seating and perspex screening if I remember rightly?

Was Golubitsky there this year? He's a bit shorter than you'd imagine isn't he, and interesting warm up lessons he gives......

My girlfriend at the time and I once stayed with one of the organisers the night before and they had clearly got it all organised well in advance as it was quite a relaxed evening.

Of course the Dutch are very efficient in their organisation - I should know I work in Holland frequently...... I'm trying to contact the Arnhem club (Scaramouche) so I can visit when I'm there.

Lucan
-2nd February 2004, 14:33
This is what the Amsterdam Coupe du Nord was like.

http://www.tulbol.demon.co.uk/amsterdam.html

I hope this works this time.

hokers
-2nd February 2004, 14:45
Nope.

You've linked to a file on your desktop, and not one uploaded to your webspace:

file:///C:/WINDOWS/Desktop/Video%20&%20Still%20Pictures/Amsterdam/2003_1116Image/DVC00026

tigger
-4th February 2004, 12:36
Crumbs, I look a bit serious there! And what a heroic stance blackadder...