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fencerjohn
-12th February 2004, 19:25
A high level US armourer over on the fencing.net bb says the grip part of an epee handle must be no longer than 18 cm even if it doesn't have a pommel. The LP grip is apparently 19 cm long:

http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9943

3 Card Trick
-12th February 2004, 23:01
All I can say is that the handle has been used at several events where the full might of the FIE Weapon Testers has been present and it has always passed.

Rdb811
-13th February 2004, 01:38
Originally posted by fencerjohn
A high level US armourer over on the fencing.net bb says the grip part of an epee handle must be no longer than 18 cm even if it doesn't have a pommel. The LP grip is apparently 19 cm long:

http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9943

RTFM:hairfire2



3. EPEE



(a) Weight



m.14 The total weight of the épée ready for use is less than 770 g.



(b) Length



m.15 The total maximum length of the épée is 110 cm.



(c) The blade



m.16 The blade, which is triangular in section without cutting edges, is made of steel and must comply with the safety standards described in Annexe A to the Rules. It should be as straight as possible and mounted with the groove uppermost. Any curve of the blade must be uniform and the maximum bend must in any case be less than 1 cm; it is only permitted in the vertical plane and must be near the centre of the blade.



The maximum length of the blade is 90 cm.

110 - 90 = 20

Unless fencing G Paul, view somebody using these grips and pommeling as easy meat - you should be able to do a full repetoire of prises de fer on them.

Australian
-13th February 2004, 08:55
the problem is the little diagram that goes with it... its actually pretty vague

Barry Paul
-13th February 2004, 09:07
DHCJ r I am afraid has miss-read the rules
The rules talk about one and two piece handles.The carbon fibre Leon Paul handle is an example of the one piece handle. Hence it is only required to fit in the test guage which is 20 cm long. DHCR problem is that the drawing only shows a two part handle. The Leon Paul handle is a one part handle (the original drawings were made before many crosse grips existed.) These legal handles have been presented to the semi. They have beem passed at many World Championships A grades and at all levels. DHCRJr please do not attempt to fail these handles until you have spoken to me and we have resolved the situation.

As for the issue of gardere handles again DHCJR is wrong on his interpritation all crosse grips can be held so the thumb is more than 10 mm ? from the guard. (Would not be very comfortable) so all crosse grips are illegal? The way the rule is phrased you have to see the fencer hold the grip and measure the actual distance as fencers have different sized thumb length. Only the referee can actually ban such a grip on the piste during a bout. Again please do not ban any such grip (not that many are used) until we have discussed. Barry Paul M.D. Leon Paul

3 Card Trick
-16th February 2004, 01:55
Roger barnes posted

"Unless fencing G Paul, view somebody using these grips and pommeling as easy meat - you should be able to do a full repetoire of prises de fer on them"

I think the boot is likely to be on the other foot Roger, they6 are pommelers and therefore expect attempts to take the blade and execute prise de fer actions.

Rdb811
-17th February 2004, 00:40
Can't think of anyone top 100 (other than Graham Paul) who uses one.

3 Card Trick
-17th February 2004, 08:27
Gore, Thornton and we haven't left the top 50 yet Roger.

Barry Paul
-17th February 2004, 09:34
the Leon Paul carbon Fibre handle is legal