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Shaka
-27th March 2011, 16:29
Good Luck to all, the first batch left this afternoon - CWF & CMS - Unleash Hell!!!!!!!:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_u p

PM1
-27th March 2011, 20:04
Kate Smith went over yesterday, and reports that obtaining visas is very straightforward, airport staff incredibly helpful and attentive; transfer good (about an hour on a good road); some difficulty with some mobile phone providers, but local sim cards easily obtainable; it's hotter than expected - sunglasses and light clothing required.

Hotel accommodation good too.

Go get'em ladies and gents !!

Maggie L-J (24/7 from April 2nd)

Hungry Hippo
-28th March 2011, 07:58
Yep, I'll second Shaka's call - Good Luck and Best wishes to all the youngsters involved!

Lefty Foilist
-28th March 2011, 17:31
Thirded by... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0mLsS7Owxo&feature=feedlik

StabInTheDark
-29th March 2011, 09:03
Link to online results:



http://www.fencingworldwide.com/WAFechten/index.jsp?wettkampf=jwmds10&OPHARDT_localeshort=en



Good Luck to all, the first batch left this afternoon - CWF & CMS - Unleash Hell!!!!!!!:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_up:thumbs_u p

Red
-29th March 2011, 11:51
In CMS...

Gianfranco into L16 after good wins against some Belgians. Great result so far and still going....

Fabio out in L64 to a rather good Russian (last 8s at most U17 events this season).
Mario out in L64 to a Korean.

After poules, Gianfranco was 3/5, Fabio and Mario both 3/6.

Red
-29th March 2011, 11:54
And in CWF...

Alex 2/6, Ayesha 4/6, Leah 3/5

All fencing L64 fights now or shortly.

Red
-29th March 2011, 12:48
Only Leah through to the L32.
Gianfranco out in L16.

Red
-29th March 2011, 14:12
Leah out in L32 to a Hungarian.

Not quite a Vet
-29th March 2011, 16:42
The Russian NEBIERIDZ in the Womans Foil Stops the Semi Finals being two Italians in one half and two Americans in the other. Those 2 countries have performed really well, must be doing something right...

Foilling Around
-29th March 2011, 17:03
I'd put money on a Lee/Mancini final and Lee to win. Interesting to see the American Mona Shaito is now fencing for Lebanon and her club is listed as USA!

tigger
-29th March 2011, 22:34
Sorry FA - Kiefer lost the final!

Another great Korean off the conveyor belt, Chung, wins cadet men's sabre.

Congrats to Gildas Braine who refereed the MS final!

Foilling Around
-29th March 2011, 22:42
I was stupid to bet against an Italian women's foilist. Anyway Mancini will probably be around for the next 15 years and Keifer will disappear in about 3 years never to be heard from again like all 95% the American fencers.

Personally I thimk they are euthanased at the age of 20!

Red
-30th March 2011, 10:53
In CWS...

Aliya 2/5, Alica and Georgia both 2/6. All through the cut.

Alice and Georgia out in L64.
Aliya through to L32 and fencing now-ish.

In CME,

Ming 2/5, Hudson 4/6, Marsh 3/5. All should be through...

Red
-30th March 2011, 10:56
At the break, Aliya is 8/7 up...

Red
-30th March 2011, 11:02
... and out 15/12.

All CME through to L64

valentino46
-30th March 2011, 11:39
daniel ming getting ready for his fight against eldeib. A of the usa :)

valentino46
-30th March 2011, 11:58
dan loses 15-4 :(

valentino46
-30th March 2011, 11:59
next on is hudson against lonnberg. I of finland and marsh fayez. S of egypt :)

Red
-30th March 2011, 12:21
Ming out in L64, Hudson and Marsh through to L32.

HelenC
-30th March 2011, 14:13
Philip Marsh makes the L16, trouncing the No 2 seeded Italian 15-6.

Jack Hudson out 15-12.

Helen.

TomA
-30th March 2011, 14:30
Philip has Simko (SUI) next. Don't want to jinx it, but he beat him 5-0 in Klagenfurt...

Keith.A.Smith
-30th March 2011, 15:04
Well done Gianfranco yesterday making a top 16 and good luck to Philip Marsh in his top 16 fight.

Keith

TomA
-30th March 2011, 15:09
Philip wins 15-13 - bit closer than last time!

Keith.A.Smith
-30th March 2011, 15:32
Fantastic news and now fights for a medal. Good luck.

Keith

TomA
-30th March 2011, 16:08
Out 15-9 to Berta (HUN).

roadie
-30th March 2011, 23:49
Well done for 8th place Philip - good preparation for the Juniors!

HelenC
-31st March 2011, 09:21
Hi, anyone know the answer to this?

One pool fight in the cadet epee is showing a result L0 :D0 instead of a L : V results

It's showing as a win for the L0 and defeat for the D0

Is this what happens when there's no hit even after extra time and the decision goes on priority?

Or is it something else?

Helen

checkmate91
-31st March 2011, 10:03
According to the detailed breakdown on her profile, she lost that one 5:3, so just a glitch most likely and/or has the same fencer in d/e

HelenC
-31st March 2011, 10:10
Yes, must have been a glitch. Another score in the pool was the wrong way round, all corrected now.

Amy 6th, bye to the L32

Both Lizzie and Leo have drawn fencers in the L64 who beat them 5-3 in the pool.

Helen.

valentino46
-31st March 2011, 10:22
...

cesh_fencing
-31st March 2011, 11:43
Just Amy left in the L32. Fences in a few minutes..

valentino46
-31st March 2011, 11:58
whats happened to hendrie?

Keith.A.Smith
-31st March 2011, 12:02
Very well done to Philip Marsh on coming 8th. A very encouraging result for him.

Keith

cesh_fencing
-31st March 2011, 12:21
Amy leads into 3rd period and then loses 15-14...

cesh_fencing
-31st March 2011, 12:23
Archer & Brosnan into L32

Red
-31st March 2011, 14:03
Brosnan out in L32 15/13. Archer still fencing.

valentino46
-31st March 2011, 14:19
archer wins 15/14 after a whole minute of both 14-14 :) archer into L16 :)

Crimson Blade
-31st March 2011, 15:37
Philip wins 15-13 - bit closer than last time!

Please bare in mind that when Nico fenced Phil last time, Britain were winning about 40-23 and his instructions were to 'just run at him'.
It's a brilliant result for Phil to bear such a strong fencer and an all round LAD.
Congrats Phil.

tigger
-31st March 2011, 16:16
Archer is in the 8 after dominating Korean hong sung 15-7

facing Dorr of Germany in L8

Baldric
-31st March 2011, 16:35
Looks like there in an injury on Kristjan's fight - clock is counting down from 10 mins, with Kristjan 4-2 up.

Can't tell who is injured - fingers crossed it isn't Kristjan!

Ray

tigger
-31st March 2011, 16:39
Kristjan has severe cramp in his right quad. Started at 2-2 but the doctor wouldn't diagnose it so he had to carry on.

Got two ripostes while clearly in pain and unable to move. Doctor then allowed the injury break.

He's just restarting - hopefully a bit better

Keith.A.Smith
-31st March 2011, 17:13
Congratulations to Kristjan on coming 7th today. A very good result to make the top 8 in the world.

So in the cadets we ahve had 2 x top 8 and 1 x top 16. Good luck to our Juniors starting tomorrow.

Keith

checkmate91
-31st March 2011, 17:18
2 x top 16?

checkmate91
-31st March 2011, 17:30
No, my mistake.

JohnL
-31st March 2011, 18:36
There doesn't seem to be any French cadets at any weapon.

Anyone know why?

Keith.A.Smith
-31st March 2011, 18:43
The French compete at European level at cadet but not at the World Cahmpionships.

JohnL
-31st March 2011, 18:57
Keifer will disappear in about 3 years never to be heard from again like all 95% the American fencers.

Personally I thimk they are euthanased at the age of 20!

Hey Paul, I think you may be right. This however is in line with my comparisons between UK/US fencers and the way the system is run here. Luckily for the rest of the fencing world, the Americans are unlikely to change their approach and you'll see continued success at cadet/junior level, and then a huge drop off at senior.

As a comparison to Keith's post of UK cadets results to date, the US has;

L.16's - 6
L.8's - 3
Plus a 2nd and 1st.

So 11 out of their 18 fencers made L16 or better.
(This has out performed many of the established, "strong," nations.

It'll be interesting to see how the Juniors do.

Just as well they're shot early isn't it !!!!
:)

TomA
-31st March 2011, 22:31
Please bare in mind that when Nico fenced Phil last time, Britain were winning about 40-23 and his instructions were to 'just run at him'. The scoresheet at fencingworldwide.com says Oberson finished, but maybe it was entered wrongly...

I'm absolutely not trying to take away from Phil's result of course (which would be both unfair and a bit silly considering I get shredded week in week out by him), I was just watching the scores as they happened and consequently sweating a bit!

Hungry Hippo
-1st April 2011, 08:26
........ Just as well they're shot early isn't it !!!! :-)

lol !

Red
-1st April 2011, 08:43
In JMS...

James 3/5, Curtis 2/5, Soji 4/5. All through the cut and have byes to L64.
Assuming they get that far, James and Curtis to meet in the L16.

In JWF... absoluement rien.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 09:01
Soji [Seeded 25] faces Scepi [Ita]
James [34] faces Wu [Chn]
Curtis [50] faces Veliky [Rus]

Soji and James very unlucky that 2 Saudi Arabians due to fence in their pooles dropped out otherwise could have been seeded
much higher and not faced such difficult opponents in DE.

Mr long sword
-1st April 2011, 09:17
Hmmm thats a tough 64..especially after a good poule performance..

Red
-1st April 2011, 09:50
Soji and Curtis both out in L64.
James yet to fence.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 09:54
Soji lost 15-11 to Scepi [ranked 8th in World and European Bronze Medallist this season]
Curtis lost 15-14 to Veliky [ranked 10th in World and European L8]

Disappointing position but very respectable results. Well done.

hokers
-1st April 2011, 10:26
James beats Wu 15-6 to make L32. Has 2 Berre (ITA) at 12:45.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 11:20
James lost 15-13 to Berre in last 32. Berre was this season's European Champion so an excellent performance.

Brits are improving in mens sabre.
2 last 16s in European[Fabio] and World[Gianfranco] Cadet Championships
1 last 16 in European[Curtis] and 1 last 32 in World[James] Junior Championships

Overall a better season than in previous years.

Red
-1st April 2011, 12:04
Complete disaster for Italy - all of their MS out in L16...
Similarly, all French MS out in L64.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 12:16
I think that this year the standard in mens junior sabre this year is very high and the margins between winning a medal and finishing last 64 or 32 very tight.

Velikiy who beat Curtis 15-14 in last 64 has just won himself a medal defeating Berre [who beat James 15-13 in last 32] 15-13 in last 16 and Lopez-Mendez 15-11 in last 8.

cesh_fencing
-1st April 2011, 13:27
I think that this year the standard in mens junior sabre this year is very high and the margins between winning a medal and finishing last 64 or 32 very tight.

The Junior Worlds are always very strong for every event and there are often small margins between winning and losing, as that is the nature of the sport at this level.

I cannot remember anyone commenting on a 'very weak event' at any World Junior Championships on the forum...

It is great that the mens sabreurs had close matches and were not destroyed and that they got through some DEs.

Good luck to those fencing in the next few days and I hope you are able to win those 'close' matches with help from expert advice from the coaches attending, as it is the close matches that coaches advice is most important for.

valentino46
-1st April 2011, 14:20
what happened to hendrie? i havent seen anything for him :/

Danum
-1st April 2011, 15:39
Far as I know he was ill.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 16:26
Ref: Cesh Fencing

The World Championships attract a broad range of ability as is reflected by the results particularly at last 128 and 64 levels
where there is more often than not a huge gulf between top and bottom with a large number of small nations taking part.

Sabre has historically been the smallest of the three weapons dominated mainly by East European and Major Fencing Nations.
It is only recently that sabre programmes have begun to be developed in smaller fencing nations.

I made the point about the strength of weapon in last 2 years because the top juniors are often now competitive in senior
ranks as well and not just for women.

Britain particularly on the mens side has seldom made a significant impact on the international scene with exception of one
or two fencers like Alex O'Connell. Reaching a last 16 let alone a Final Tableau or Medal is a rare occurrence.

However, the main reason for making my comment was the recent sabre thread, which was highly critical of cadet and junior
standards in weapon and the inference that there was limited talent. This is simply not true.

Rudd
-1st April 2011, 18:13
It'll be interesting to see how the Juniors do.

JWF: US take 1,2 and 3. Their only losses were to each other.

JohnL
-1st April 2011, 19:46
JWF: US take 1,2 and 3. Their only losses were to each other.

I know, frightening isn't it!!!

JohnL
-1st April 2011, 19:58
Ron

I understand you supporting our young fencers (as do I) but holding these results in the WC's (Both cadet and Junior) as an example that the talent is there in UK cadet and junior ranks doesn't hold water. At some stage you have to say that someone either won or lost, by whatever margin.

Men's Saber results : 2 made the last 32's and 4 made the last 64's.

Let's face it, looking at the pools, making the L64 isn't exactly an acheivement is it.

So far I'd say the men's saber results were exteremly disappointing. Hoping the guys manage to pick it up for the teams.

Ronald Velden
-1st April 2011, 20:50
John L

I think that you need to look at season as a whole>

Mens Sabre produced :
European Juniors Champs Last 16 Curtis Miller
World Cup Last 8 x 2 James Honeybone
European Championship Team Last 8 [without James]
European Cadet Champs Last 16 Fabio Artesi
World Cadet Champs Last 16 Gianfranco Artesi

Whilst the results today might be disappointing for the fencers I consider Curtis losing 15-14 to World Championship silver
medallist and James losing 15-13 to European Champion creditable results. Sometimes fencers reach later stages by the
luck of the draw.

Furthermore most of these fencers are training perhaps 2 -3 times a week and do not benefit from the full-time training programme offered to mens foil.

All these fencers are talented and improving athletes

PM1
-1st April 2011, 20:55
Far as I know he was ill.

throat infection, I believe. Or was it viral.....advised to keep him away from others....

Ben White poorly today.....:(

Red
-2nd April 2011, 09:37
In JWS...

Jess 5/6, Alice 3/6, Sophie 3/5.
All through the cut.
In the L64 - Alice wins 15/11 against a Mexican, Jess wins 15/5 against a Canadian and Sophie wins 15/7 against a German.

Red
-2nd April 2011, 10:50
In the L32...
Alice out 15/3, Jess out 15/6, Sophie yet to fence.

In JME...
Philip 4/6, Ben 2/6, Jack 5/6.
Ben out. Jack straight into the L64, Philip through L128 15/3.

Red
-2nd April 2011, 11:13
Sophie pulls it back from 14/10 down to go through to L16.

Red
-2nd April 2011, 11:22
All HUN and RUS still in the WS...
USA have two left.
Eight other nations with one fencer left.

Red
-2nd April 2011, 11:51
Sophie out 15/12 to the Italian.

wix
-2nd April 2011, 12:03
Jack and Philip both through to L32

Red
-2nd April 2011, 12:08
All of the Russians still in the JWS along with 2 of the Hungarians (the third was beaten by another Hungarian)...
None of the Russians fence each other in the L8...

wix
-2nd April 2011, 13:11
Jack though to L16. Philip still to fight.

wix
-2nd April 2011, 13:44
Philip now through to L16 as well :)

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 14:13
Well done to Sophie. Good luck to our ME fencers in the top 16.

wix
-2nd April 2011, 14:19
Jack loses to Lahtinen (FIN) :(

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 14:37
Philip wins and into top 8. Well done and good luck.

Keith

wix
-2nd April 2011, 14:38
...but Philip beats Suto (HUN) to go into L8 :) :)

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 14:54
"Watching" it "live" on the web site is almost as nerve wracking as being there.....

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 14:59
On piste...gotta go ......

wix
-2nd April 2011, 15:13
Philip wins 15-14!!!!!! :)

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 15:14
Really well done Philip. Now to fight for which colour medal.

Excellent so far today and keep it up.

Keith

TBennett
-2nd April 2011, 15:16
Absolutely brilliant result so far Philip, keep it going!

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 15:20
I can't think what Sue Benney is going thru out there......and he now fights the guy who beat him 5/2 in the poules, and is also a left hander.......but Phil will have worked it all out.....go for it Phil!!

TomA
-2nd April 2011, 15:40
I can't think what Sue Benney is going thru out there......and he now fights the guy who beat him 5/2 in the poules, and is also a left hander.......but Phil will have worked it all out.....go for it Phil!!Knowing Sue she'll be keeping her cool and helping Philip prepare for his next fight. Massive congratulations to both of them, it's an amazing result, especially taking into account that this is a weapon where age and experience count for so much and Philip is still a cadet with only 3-4 years of competitive experience.

Think this is the first JME medal GB has ever won at a world championship.

TomA
-2nd April 2011, 15:50
Philip wins 15-10!

wix
-2nd April 2011, 15:51
Yes, into the final !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 15:51
Brilliant news. Now for the title! Keep it going Philip.

Keith

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 16:01
i have NO doubts about Sue's ability under pressure near or indeed ON the piste!!!! and echo your congrats, and to his everso supportive parents.

keep it up, Phil !!

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 16:13
I think Philip will be in action again in about 20 minutes maximum as the two sabre semi finals will not take long!

Good luck.

TBennett
-2nd April 2011, 16:19
Wow.. Phil beat Glazkov (who won cadet Worlds 2 years ago and Junior worlds last year. Also on his first senior A-Grade came L16 out of 250...). Just keep it going!

D'Artignan
-2nd April 2011, 16:44
Final on just now, and Mr Marsh 2-0 up.

TBennett
-2nd April 2011, 16:47
5-3 up at the first break..

TBennett
-2nd April 2011, 16:52
9-7 up at the 2nd break..

TomA
-2nd April 2011, 16:58
Marsh is World Champion 15-13!

D'Artignan
-2nd April 2011, 16:59
And it's a GBR victory! 15- 13!

TBennett
-2nd April 2011, 16:59
And he wins 15-13. Amazing.

Ronald Velden
-2nd April 2011, 17:01
Fantastic result well done.

pinkelephant
-2nd April 2011, 17:03
Absolutely fantastic!! AND he got a fair play award at Klagenfurt.

hokers
-2nd April 2011, 17:03
Oh my god. What an amazing result!

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 17:06
Many, many congratulations to Philip. He is still a Cadet and made the top 8 in the Cadets and is now Junior World Champion. This is our first Junior World Champion at epee ever.

A really splendid effort and a day neither he , his parents or hisfan club will forget in a hurry!

Keith

hokers
-2nd April 2011, 17:08
He's ranked 140th in the World and looks like has only competed 4 times previously at Junior International level and he just won the Worlds!!!

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 17:08
UTTERLY wonderful !!

Well done, so very well done.

munkey
-2nd April 2011, 17:10
That's an absolutely awesome result!! Congrats to Philip and his team. 1st British World Junior Champion since 1976?

Neil Brown
-2nd April 2011, 17:13
Huge congratulations from all at British Fencing, results from the FIE http://fie.ch/Competitions/ResultsList.aspx?Tweet=9DD94E43A17DBA5BF3D4C2FE40A 6504B

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 17:14
Where are the Junior Euros in the autumn then? I gues Phil and Jack might be going.....!!

And what does that do for the team ranking?? 1st and 10th places!!!

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 17:21
This is our second Junior World Champion ever. The last was Rob Bruniges in 1976 at Foil. Louise Bond-Wililams won Silver in 2002. We have had two Junior European Champions in Laurence Halsted and Richard Kruse.

This is an excellent result from a young fencer who has excelled himself and shown what talent, a good coach, a good club and very supportive parents can do.

Bask in the glory Philip and also very well done to Jack Hudson, who is also young and was 10th today.

Keith

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 17:24
This is an excellent result from a young fencer who has excelled himself and shown what talent, a good coach, a good club and very supportive parents can do.

Bask in the glory Philip and also very well done to Jack Hudson, who is also young and was 10th today.

Keith

Hear Hear !!

WellEducatedFacts.
-2nd April 2011, 17:31
This is an incredible result!! JUNIOR world champion as a cadet, rarely heard of.

Well done to all the fencers out in Jordan, let's hope for more results like this one.

TomA
-2nd April 2011, 17:37
Bask in the glory Philip and also very well done to Jack Hudson, who is also young and was 10th today.
Agree entirely. I also think Ben White, who has for a long while helped to keep British u17 and u20 men's epee competitive at an international level, deserves a mention. He got struck by food poisoning and today fenced and missed the cut by 2 points. Gutted for him, I think without the illness he could have produced a strong result as well.

Danum
-2nd April 2011, 17:46
Marvellous result and such a modest lad too.

Bagpuss
-2nd April 2011, 18:15
We have just spoken to Philip and Sue who are understandably ecstatic....although it hasn't quite sunk in with Philip yet! Our heart rates are just about returning to normal too!

Thank you for all the kind comments and the support thoughout the day. They are really appreciated. Philip will enjoy reading them. We would also like to give special thanks to Sue who has been BRILLIANT.

Penny

roadie
-2nd April 2011, 18:23
What a magnificent and totally popular result! Congratulations proud parents.

Keith.A.Smith
-2nd April 2011, 18:29
It is really nice to see Philip's parents congratulating Sue Benney as well. In these moments coaches are often forgotten.

Now let's hope for good things in the team event too.

One more day of individual competition tomorrow and best of luck to our fencers and then the team events.

wide eagle
-2nd April 2011, 19:04
I came home and saw this; it made my day (felt like doing a dance). Congrats to Sue and Phil and the rest of the team. Good luck for the rest of the tournament

Gangsta G
-2nd April 2011, 19:12
What a fantastic result. WELL DONE to Phil and Sue.

pinkelephant
-2nd April 2011, 19:13
Where are the Junior Euros in the autumn then? I gues Phil and Jack might be going.....!!

And what does that do for the team ranking?? 1st and 10th places!!!

No Junior Euros in the autumn - it's being amalgamated with the Cadet Euros in the spring.

grs
-2nd April 2011, 19:18
Fantatic result to all concerned. Especially well done to Sue who has worked hard over the years, her knowledge and expertise rewarded.

PM1
-2nd April 2011, 19:37
No Junior Euros in the autumn - it's being amalgamated with the Cadet Euros in the spring.

Oh well. Thanks for the info PE. All change again.....still gotta be a golden ticket tho' !!

Foilling Around
-2nd April 2011, 20:15
This is our second Junior World Champion ever. The last was Rob Bruniges in 1976 at Foil. Louise Bond-Wililams won Silver in 2002. We have had two Junior European Champions in Laurence Halsted and Richard Kruse.

Keith

And don't forget Ed Jeffries silver at foil 2 year ago in Belfast.

Fantastic result for all concerned and most of all to Master Marsh himself.

Somewhat akin to Jon Willis winning Heidenheim from 150 in the world rankings.

cesh_fencing
-3rd April 2011, 00:20
All of a sudden me losing to a cadet at last years Senior Nationals does not sound so bad. I simply lost to the World Junior Champion, guess I cannot complain too much now..

Well done to Philip, amazing result; and is this the 4th or 5th Epee medal at World/European Cadet/Junior Champs in the last 5 or 6 years for GBR.

Surrely between the boys and Girls combined, Epee must be close to being GBRs most successful of the 3 weapons.

The real key is for these young talents to be nurtured to perform when they go up to senior level; which the current structure in Epee has aguably not been particularily successful doing compared to mens foil for example.

And with the Poland results just a few days ago, there is real talant coming through below this age as well.. Looking forward to the future...

Red
-3rd April 2011, 00:34
Surrely between the boys and Girls combined, Epee must be close to being GBRs most successful of the 3 weapons.

Um... This one result makes ME our most successful weapon in decades.

Goodwood
-3rd April 2011, 07:20
what happened to hendrie? i havent seen anything for him :/

He was ill with virus, fenced 2 bouts in poule and then had to scratch on FIE doctors 'orders', spend next 2 days recovering, one very dissapointed fencer.

cesh_fencing
-3rd April 2011, 08:48
Um... This one result makes ME our most successful weapon in decades.

In terms of Gold medals yes, in tems of overall medal count no.

However epee generally seems to have been fairly successful at getting medals recently.

Both Corinna and Phillip have their own styles (especially their timing) which are certainly not what would be called mainstream. Maybe these variations need to be nurtured more and for coaches when they get to senior national squad level not to try to fit them into the expected box of technique.

pinkelephant
-3rd April 2011, 09:46
What on earth is going on in MF? There appears to be one pool of four - that simply should not happen unless 2 people are injured during the pool or black carded. All 3 of our boys are in pools of 6.

Keith.A.Smith
-3rd April 2011, 09:48
Hi Chris,

I certainly agree with you in terms of nurturing talent for the future. We need to support our caderts and juniors as much as possible as they move up the age range. To do that we need the organisational and financial support too. I hope that we can buiold on the organisational and mainatin our financial support post 2012. Clearly sponsorship will be vital as well as support from UKS and Sport England.

Crimson Blade
-3rd April 2011, 10:37
All of a sudden me losing to a cadet at last years Senior Nationals does not sound so bad. I simply lost to the World Junior Champion, guess I cannot complain too much now..

Well done to Philip, amazing result; and is this the 4th or 5th Epee medal at World/European Cadet/Junior Champs in the last 5 or 6 years for GBR.

Surrely between the boys and Girls combined, Epee must be close to being GBRs most successful of the 3 weapons.

The real key is for these young talents to be nurtured to perform when they go up to senior level; which the current structure in Epee has aguably not been particularily successful doing compared to mens foil for example.

And with the Poland results just a few days ago, there is real talant coming through below this age as well.. Looking forward to the future...

However, you did only just beat another cadet 15-14 to get there ;)

Keith.A.Smith
-3rd April 2011, 10:47
Hi All,

Keep posting good results on this thread. I am away for a few days but will pick up the forum if nothing else. Good luck to our fencers today and then in the team events.

If someone could email me at Keithfence@aol.com if we get any more top 16 or better results, that would be really appreciated.

Keith

pinkelephant
-3rd April 2011, 11:13
What on earth is going on in MF? There appears to be one pool of four - that simply should not happen unless 2 people are injured during the pool or black carded. All 3 of our boys are in pools of 6.

It's now showing as a complete pool of 7 - must have been a software problem.

PM1
-3rd April 2011, 11:36
After poules:

Husayn 65 and on piste now
James Davis 46 and on piste now (128/64)
Alex 6 - yes

All WJE out

PM1
-3rd April 2011, 11:40
James into L64, Husayn is up at first break

PM1
-3rd April 2011, 11:51
and Husayn into L64 too

Red
-3rd April 2011, 12:00
In terms of Gold medals yes, in tems of overall medal count no.


I get the point that fencers in other weapons may have won the odd medal, but how many of the others are World Champions?

Just to add detail to JWE...
McGeever - 2/6, Chang - 1/6 (cut), Radford 3/6
McGeever won L128 fight 15/14 to join Radford in the L64
Both out in L64.

TomA
-3rd April 2011, 13:10
Both Corinna and Phillip have their own styles (especially their timing) which are certainly not what would be called mainstream.I think the thing that people don't always get about Philip is that what he does is quite mainstream, just not in Britain. His control of distance and timing is very tight and a lot of the set-ups he uses resemble what the foreign pommellers do. Tennis racket handle aside he could be any other top fencer at an international competition.

wix
-3rd April 2011, 13:14
Rosowsky 4 -1 up against 1st seed at 1st break.

wix
-3rd April 2011, 13:19
...and 9-3 up at 2nd break

wix
-3rd April 2011, 13:27
... and into L32 :)
And so is Davis :)

wix
-3rd April 2011, 14:05
Alex now through as well :)

wix
-3rd April 2011, 14:12
As is Brendan Cusack of Ireland.

cesh_fencing
-3rd April 2011, 14:28
I think the thing that people don't always get about Philip is that what he does is quite mainstream, just not in Britain.

Having fenced at WCs over the last 20 years, no his timing is very distinct and I can only think of Loit from Estonia of a similar technique/timing.. Though Phil is cleaner in the way he fences certainly...

This is not a critism, it is just that the variety is needed and it makes him a better fencer for it.

pinkelephant
-3rd April 2011, 14:35
Having fenced at WCs over the last 20 years, no his timing is very distinct and I can only think of Loit from Estonia of a similar technique/timing.. Though Phil is cleaner in the way he fences certainly...

This is not a critism, it is just that the variety is needed and it makes him a better fencer for it.

He's also about half the size of Loit and a lot more mobile!

wix
-3rd April 2011, 15:07
James Davis through into L16

Red
-3rd April 2011, 16:04
As is Tofalides.
If both get through their L16 fights, then we have another British medal...

Red
-3rd April 2011, 16:20
Davis out 15/7 in L16.

Tofalides on now.

pinkelephant
-3rd April 2011, 16:20
Davis out to Nista, 15-7

aao
-3rd April 2011, 16:31
He's also about half the size of Loit and a lot more mobile!

You've clearly never had the 'pleasure' of fencing Loit, that man could cover ground at an alarming rate of knots!

Red
-3rd April 2011, 16:45
From 5/0 down during the first period (not sure that that was part of the plan), Tofalides dragged it back to 6/6 in the third before Massialas (current U17 World Champion) ran away to 10/6 up. Tofalides eventually beaten 11/8 in L16.

Foilling Around
-3rd April 2011, 17:01
So James and Alex both out at L16 stage. I will say well done because L16 in the world is really good. However I know that James and Husayn with his L32 particularly will be disappointed. Alex has 2 more years at this level.

From following the day on the website, all 3 of them had up and down days. Husayn and James with average poules and then pulling it back in the DEs. All of them down in some fights then fighting back. None of them in commanding form.

Good luck to them all for the team event.

Check out the team sabre for tomorrow. The USA seem to have 2 teams entered!

TBennett
-3rd April 2011, 17:22
As is Tofalides.
If both get through their L16 fights, then we have another British medal...

Tempted fate there didn't you... Hope the team can bring the boys a medal instead.

TomA
-3rd April 2011, 18:54
It's a Massialas-Luperi final - Grudge match!

cesh_fencing
-3rd April 2011, 20:55
He's also about half the size of Loit and a lot more mobile!

Loit was about half his current size and damned quick when I first remember him coming onto the circuit, yes he expanded with time, but even 5 years ago could move surprisingly quickly and had a hand-speed of hit similar to Philip..

Very difficult to fence against and pretty successful as senior level having, I am sure, made several top 8s at World Cup level.

If Phil can keep his size sensible, he has a real chance of being a real success in the years to come if his technique is allowed to be 'his technique' and not fitted into a box of what epee should be....

Good luck to him going forward.

Rob.Leicester
-3rd April 2011, 21:08
if his technique is allowed to be 'his technique' and not fitted into a box of what epee should be....

I always think this one of the most serious British problems in any sport, we twist a person's natural game into what we think it "should be like" and it makes our athletes a lot less effective.

Ronald Velden
-4th April 2011, 08:42
BRITAIN lose to UKRAINE 40-45. Ukraine are European silver medallists. Curtis [11-4] and James [8-5] defeated Statsenko top
Ukrainian.

Lefty Foilist
-5th April 2011, 09:41
Men's Epee beat China 35-30, got USA next at 12:00 local time.

Women's Sabre out to Germany 43-45.

cesh_fencing
-5th April 2011, 10:03
Danny Ming on first and last match for GBR team, Phil sitting out the start of this match..

Good luck boys..

cesh_fencing
-5th April 2011, 10:56
43-42 win on priority, with Phil comingback from 6 hits down.

Maybe Phil from the start next time please...

HelenC
-5th April 2011, 10:57
GB beat USA 43-42, Philip pulling back a 6 hit deficit to level at time and scoring in the extra minute to win the match.

Well done also to Ben White who closed the gap in the 7th march with a 17-12(!) victory.

Helen.

Lefty Foilist
-5th April 2011, 11:03
Hungary up next for the lads in the quarter finals.

munkey
-5th April 2011, 11:31
Really good win against USA considering there was a 10 hit deficit at one stage near the middle of the match before Ben went ballistic to win 17-12 and Philip takes the last 9-2 including the winning hit in the extra minute. Seemingly no shortage of confidence in the JME camp at the moment!

munkey
-5th April 2011, 11:37
Also a surprise yesterday in WF teams, where there was no British interest, with Italy beating the USA girls who had finished 1, 2 and 3 in the individual event.

hokers
-5th April 2011, 14:55
JME team 7th in the end, lost 33-45 to Hungary, who are in the final with Italy later.

Got to be pretty impressed to knock both China and USA out of the World Championships though..

Lefty Foilist
-5th April 2011, 17:30
Definitely, hokers. Looking at the score before bout seven I thought there was no way back. I guess the USA match was essentially the GB team's 'final', as it must have surely felt like they'd won one when Marsh scored the winner!

Can't wait to see the match put up on Youtube!

Paul Revere
-5th April 2011, 23:43
Intersting point that one of GB's team is a college team-mate of one of the US team! Also another GB team member also fences a lot in the US - maybe it was a grudge match!

Red
-6th April 2011, 10:32
In MFT, France take out 3rd seeds Great Britain in L16 45/44
Oh dear...

Meanwhile in WET, GBR out in L32 to Korea 45/36

TomA
-6th April 2011, 15:18
In MFT, France take out 3rd seeds Great Britain in L16 45/44
Oh dear...
It seems a bit strange that Tofalides wasn't used when he got the best result in the individuals...

JohnL
-6th April 2011, 16:17
In MFT, France take out 3rd seeds Great Britain in L16 45/44
Oh dear...



It's rare that I'll give anyone a break at the WC's but in this case I'm inclined.

The French fencers severely under performed in the individual (L128, L64, and L32) and I have no doubt that the conversation with the fencers after the individuals wasn't a pretty one. Given this, the french being seeded 14 gave GB the bitch draw.

The french then beat GB (seeded 3) only by 1 point, beat China (seeded 6), Lost to USA (seeded 2) by only 2 points, and then dumped on Russia (seeded 4) to take 3rd place.

When you take out the 3, 4, and 6 seeds and only just lose to the #2, I think that reflects a quality team that was a better seed than the #14 they were given.

Or maybe I'm just getting forgiving in my old age!!!

Mind you, the question regarding Tofalides omission is interesting.

Paul Revere
-6th April 2011, 17:12
Maybe it was tactical? The other three are all in the same age group (1991) and have been fencing together for at least 10 years.

The Italian team that won Junior Mens Epee gold did not use Vallosio (their second most successful individual at the Worlds) in the quarter final, semi final or final, replacing him with Bino.

The GB foil team also had four good fencers with a proven record of success - sometimes it's just not your day.:(

kd5mdk
-6th April 2011, 19:44
I was stupid to bet against an Italian women's foilist. Anyway Mancini will probably be around for the next 15 years and Keifer will disappear in about 3 years never to be heard from again like all 95% the American fencers.

Personally I thimk they are euthanased at the age of 20!
Doctors, Lawyers, Management Consultants. It's basically the same thing.
Ivan Lee decided to buck the trend and is a police office.

Keith.A.Smith
-13th April 2011, 14:10
Well done our ME team. 7th is a very creditable result and rounds off a very successful World Championships for that weapon.

pinkelephant
-14th April 2011, 09:28
For all those who were aware of the serious illness of the Czech foilist Zuzana Bukackova, here is an update on her condition from the EFC website.

http://www.eurofencing.info/news/crisis-and-miracle-jwch-jordan