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NHCTUSA Fencer
-23rd March 2004, 22:00
A couple of my team mates and I have been throwing around the idea of having different colored Jackets and Knickers...by that I mean instead of white, if we were to Dye them Black or Red or Green would that be legal? I've looked around a bit and asked around and so far no one has said I couldn't do it, and to further the point....
http://www.fencepbt.com/pbthome3.nsf/F4F48E914CD7647085256C7E000457FE/A03CC1D5E8B27A8185256C7E005C8CCC?OpenDocument

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devalleassoc
-24th March 2004, 02:08
Well, one thing is for sure. BLACK is reserved only for Masters. Obviously coloured or customized (to a degree) masks are not a problem either, nor are customized Lames. Coloured clothing would be pretty cool, though, I must admit. I do recall this topic being covered in a thread a while back though.

gbm
-25th March 2004, 20:16
I believe it must be entirely of a light shade.

Boo Boo
-25th March 2004, 21:09
Originally posted by goodbadandme
I believe it must be entirely of a light shade.

I don't think so - Keith Cook has black panels on his arms and legs and Dominique has bright red panels (used to be bright blue) on her arms and legs. Trillini used to have bright dark blue breeches and jacket. All use light colour lames though.

Boo

devalleassoc
-25th March 2004, 21:50
What?? No brocade??

NHCTUSA Fencer
-25th March 2004, 23:34
well at first i would have thought maybe not cause it's distracting, but they have knickers that are colored like your countries flag so if you could have a flag why not 1 whole color....i would end up doing the green, green mask green lame an green everything else....they sell the green masks in the link i posted, they also sell colored lame's...just something i thought i'd bring up....

neevel
-26th March 2004, 03:33
The body needs to be of a single "light" color (there's nothing more specific about what the FIE considers the limits of "light" to be). You may have different colors and designs on the arms and legs.

-Dave

PKT
-6th April 2004, 06:52
Here's what some of the Italians wore - in this case Milanoli. The bib is green.

http://www.fencing101.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-264
from the Vancouver epee Workd Cup Gran Prix
PK

PKT
-6th April 2004, 07:01
i was going to put a foto of the frontal view of one of the Italians, but ran out of space for "my gallery".
If you want to see the front, PM me.

PK

PKT
-6th April 2004, 07:15
Here it is.
http://www.fencing101.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-268
Milanoli's colourful uniform, mask and matching glove.

PK

Tubby
-6th April 2004, 12:53
cool, but not as fetching as my pink glove and matching panels on my breeches;)

uk_45
-6th April 2004, 16:35
Oh and here i am with my WHITE kit.
Hm could see the same outrage as they had in cricket when they changed the kit colour regs!

PKT
-6th April 2004, 17:47
i was surpised that the Italians didn't use a red, white green theme with their uniforms...
That said, the azure [spelling] is the colour of their football team. Does anyone know if that IS their 'national team' colour?

pk

devalleassoc
-6th April 2004, 18:13
Dunno, but I'm thinking RED panels with BLACK piping would look really cool!!!:sam:

uk_45
-6th April 2004, 18:14
I'd rather have designs of pictures thanks! any idea of the price of a full picture on a lame!

devalleassoc
-6th April 2004, 18:16
Does LP offer that option??

uk_45
-6th April 2004, 18:19
erm proberbly as a special request/order.

Yes just found it have a look at http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Naming_Jackets_and_British_Strip_ 29.html sorry guys you'll have to copy and paste the link as the forum abridges it.
second one down. I'm thinking either iron maiden's eddie (see my avarter) or my whole kit as a skelton but that would proberbly be to much black!http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Naming_Jackets_and_British_Strip_ 29.html

devalleassoc
-6th April 2004, 18:23
Cool!! Yeah, Eddie would be a good idea!! :eek:

YO BARRY!! How much $$$??? (Sorry, no British pound symbol on my keyboard!)

uk_45
-6th April 2004, 18:24
Think duellist would have somthing to say about LP doing any iron maiden linked design tho some how :P

devalleassoc
-6th April 2004, 19:37
I don't understand. (I am obviously missing something)

uk_45
-6th April 2004, 19:39
Ok bruce dickenson lead singer of maiden founded duellist make sense?

devalleassoc
-6th April 2004, 19:42
GOTCHA!!!! Amazing what a little info can do!! Quite the bit of trivia, as well!!:dizzy:

gbm
-6th April 2004, 22:19
I'd just like to bring my request to wear chintz kit up again here. Provided nobody else is allowed to wear it (I couldn't fence somebody wearing chintz, my brain would dribble out my ears).

devalleassoc
-7th April 2004, 01:05
Trust me on this one, the chintz is ALL YOURS!! :)

(Now, how about brocade?????):confused:

gbm
-7th April 2004, 11:22
Me in chintz, you in brocade...

What a battle that would be! I would of course win as my reactive prescription glasses would turn dark and prevent me from seeing you at all, thereby increasing the chance that I will be pointing in the right direction when I lunge, whereas you will be completely unable to look at me!

Ulrika
-7th April 2004, 14:12
Originally posted by goodbadandme
Me in chintz, you in brocade...
Velvet, anyone? ;)

Gav
-7th April 2004, 14:18
urgh - Fencing in Velvet....

I believe that TCA in the states used [and maybe still do] make jackets made from denim.

You too, can look like a fencer without a clue...

J_D
-7th April 2004, 14:36
800N silk anyone?

Insipiens
-7th April 2004, 14:52
Originally posted by J_D
800N silk anyone?

By far the most sensible idea so far on this thread.
:womping:

devalleassoc
-7th April 2004, 16:19
Originally posted by Ulrika
Velvet, anyone? ;)

Hmmmm. Potential. What colour?? Cut velvet perhaps!!??:grin:

gbm
-7th April 2004, 17:21
Black velvet cloak lined with red velvet. And a velvet hat. And velvet shoes. And velvet breeches...

uk_45
-7th April 2004, 17:25
Hmm not sure about velvet shoes may be to slippy

gbm
-7th April 2004, 17:30
I think it's fair to sacrifice grip for 'coolness'...

uk_45
-7th April 2004, 17:34
erm since when is slipping and going flying across the floor on your face cool?

devalleassoc
-7th April 2004, 18:25
Originally posted by goodbadandme
Black velvet cloak lined with red velvet. And a velvet hat. And velvet shoes. And velvet breeches...

I like it!! How about a bit of embroidery on the shoes?? (Family crest, perhaps??:grin:

gbm
-7th April 2004, 22:34
Originally posted by uk_45
erm since when is slipping and going flying across the floor on your face cool?

Loss of grip doesn't mean you fall over... just that you don't go anywhere too quickly.

uk_45
-8th April 2004, 08:21
Yoy try a flesche in velvet shoes!!!

J_D
-8th April 2004, 11:03
Frankly I think all that velvet should be relieved by some leather: perhaps a pair of those boots that come over the knee with the floppy tops, then add a little lace brocade at the cuff of your jacket in a range of colours

devalleassoc
-8th April 2004, 13:00
.....Now THAT'S vision!!;) Take a little of this, add a little of that..................

gbm
-8th April 2004, 15:02
Let's forget about all that transparent mask stuff, this will make fencing more telegenic...

http://nominex.com/rarerhps/picture.cgi?image=19970728.jpg
http://nominex.com/rarerhps/picture.cgi?image=19970316.jpg
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0073629/Ss/0073629/10?path=gallery&path_key=0073629
http://nominex.com/rarerhps/picture.cgi?image=19980309.jpg

uk_45
-8th April 2004, 17:29
the words erm NO come mind

how about:
http://www.cloggs.co.uk/icat/brndftwrnewrockcats

now they're what i call boots!

gbm
-8th April 2004, 18:48
Wouldn't have to worry about shin hits with some of them...

devalleassoc
-8th April 2004, 19:15
[QUOTE]Originally posted by goodbadandme
[B]Let's forget about all that transparent mask stuff, this will make fencing more telegenic...

I CAN see Frank N. Furter weilding a sabre!!

....The boots DO have lots of potential as well!!

bucket
-19th April 2004, 09:37
Just a plain Lp one....

with Orange tartan stripes down the sleeves.

washed it and the colour bled on to the sleeve. really cool effect.

Might do the same with my breeches.

Aoife
-25th April 2004, 12:00
How about fencing dressed like Johnny here? (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0325980/19_poc-2691.jpg)

gbm
-25th April 2004, 12:06
I like it!
Maybe we should have a Fancy Dress category in UK_45's competition!

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 14:38
Hmmm not for then fights maybe as dont think BFA etc like you out of kit, but i see why we cant have it for fun :P

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:04
Foam sabres all round!!

Maybe we could get Barry to give us a load...

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:05
Or you could just sell them, have a foam sabre competition, and recoup some more costs. Make a bit of a profit to run it next year!

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:06
Oh could be fun to watch!!!

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:17
Especially trying to referee it...

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:20
You ever tries a parry with a foam weapon?

Reffing should be as easy as steam.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:28
Originally posted by uk_45
You ever tries a parry with a foam weapon?

Bit of bamboo pole would sort that out... with penalties for breaking the opponent's weapon!


Reffing should be as easy as steam.

That hard?

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:30
well dont forget you should have 4 ref and one president in steam.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:34
I remember we tried it once before when we didn't have electrics; it was not a success as I remember. I think it takes real skill to try it. Unlike reffing from the box, which plenty of people without skill think they can do.

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:35
Ahhhh ref'ing on the box should be just as hard you still have to be thinking about who hold ROW etc etc. all the box says is if some one has been hit, it can't say whose point

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:42
Yes but everybody has to watch where the fencer has been hit i.e. off-target or on-target.

A wasp has just flown into the room.

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:43
Yeah that ain't to hard really that why you see older fencers holding the hit after they have landed it.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 15:52
Fencing was different to accommadate this, and people were used to this sort of refereeing (just like we are used to reffing with lights). It would probably be very difficult for people like me to try and do it now, having never done it before.

But I still think a steam foam sabre comp would be great fun! You could do it really quickly.

Aoife
-25th April 2004, 15:54
Yes but everybody has to watch where the fencer has
been hit i.e. off-target or on-target.

Shock horror! How awfully hard that must be!!! :eek:

Not that I'm a tad bitter on occasions that all I ever do is fence steam. We don't have a box at my club.

It's really not that hard, get four corner judges who know what they're doing (now THAT can be hard!) and a good president, and it's easier, in my opinion, than electric scoring. I think you can see ROW more easily with steam scoring because you've got five people paying attention to who's doing what on the piste.

:shrug:

And you don't have loads of wires and stuff everywhere. The four times I've fenced electric I've been ever so annoyed by the bloody wire coming out of the sword up my sleave. I use French, and find the wire restricts some wrist movements I can do easily without a wire.

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:54
Originally posted by goodbadandme

But I still think a steam foam sabre comp would be great fun! You could do it really quickly.

I don't know the exact year i'm sure some one will tho, but until recently sabre was steam at olympics, well recently compaired to the other weapons

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:56
Originally posted by Aoife
.

It's really not that hard, get four corner judges who know what they're doing (now THAT can be hard!) and a good president, and it's easier, in my opinion, than electric scoring. I think you can see ROW more easily with steam scoring because you've got five people paying attention to who's doing what on the piste.


yes the good thing of having refs at every angle is you see ROW and attacks starting better.

Aoife
-25th April 2004, 15:56
Not to mention that as armourer all I have to do it tighten handle with an allen key, put butotn on, and clean the equipment!
:grin:

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 15:58
And bend the blade dont forget bending the blade!!!!

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:06
If you have problems with the wire, the trick is just to keep it a little loose.
Maybe we should have Aoife to ref the foam comp! It's just a matter of experience, which we haven't got.
Your club should try and apply for funding for a box, though, because they are really good. They free up fencing a lot, because you don't have to hold the sword on or bend the blade. Unfortunately they do allow the flick, but that's only for a few years yet...

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 16:07
Yeah you should be able to get a minority sports grant

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:17
Unfortunately steam foil is seen as 'backwards'. But you should try applying to your local lottery funding agency, or Sportlot (that might just be for Wales though). If you don't get a box, then you will have difficulty at electric competitions. Plus steam fencing just makes being an armourer too easy!

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 16:19
Yes the arts of steam and elcetric are different, very much so the flick would be a perfect example.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:27
But less so with foil and epee and more so with sabre.

(I'm in the top 30 posters now I think! Look at the number of posts Hayleyjade has made since she arrived, though...)

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 16:30
I know lol yes i helped hayley with those on postings your in the easy area the gaps are only around 10 max when you make to 4 the smallest gap is 200.

Sabre is much better on electric i think very explosive very fun to fight.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:37
And very confusing for a foilist to try and referee...

If I could get to the top twenty over the next month, I'd be very happy...

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 16:40
Yeah we have some very good foilist who say sabre is soo hard to ref becuase its so fast.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:45
The blocking time on the lights for sabre shows how much faster it is. I don't know what it is at the moment, but they want to change them the 300ms for foil, which is still quite slow, and 120ms for sabre, which is almost human reaction time!

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 16:47
Yep its very fast and you still get lots of double lights.

gbm
-25th April 2004, 16:58
There will probably be less with the new timings.

Australian
-25th April 2004, 21:07
Originally posted by uk_45
Yeah we have some very good foilist who say sabre is soo hard to ref becuase its so fast.

good sabre is easy to ref because the actions are clearer... its the beginner/intermediate level sabre that i find the hardest to separate

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 21:11
Yeah its odd that reall as intermediate epe is easy but high level is hard to ref

Australian
-25th April 2004, 21:21
Originally posted by uk_45
Yeah its odd that reall as intermediate epe is easy but high level is hard to ref

wouldn't say hard... you just need to know your rules, timing, and pay attention.

uk_45
-25th April 2004, 21:23
Ah the last one would be my problem!