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Keith.A.Smith
-1st April 2014, 18:24
Good luck to the GB Cadets and Juniors at the World Championships, that start on Thursday. Hope results will be posted here and we have lots to cheer about.

Nick E
-1st April 2014, 19:27
Does anyone have a competition link?

Not quite a Vet
-1st April 2014, 19:37
There is an official site and I see one of the partners is the German site used at Senior World Cups. So should get good coverage.
Would have put up links but using a tablet just now.

Nick E
-1st April 2014, 19:43
There is an official site and I see one of the partners is the German site used at Senior World Cups. So should get good coverage.
Would have put up links but using a tablet just now.

Is this the one?

http://www.wchplovdiv2014.com

Not quite a Vet
-1st April 2014, 19:46
Yup, that's the Official site and one of the partners is Ophardt Team. So fingers crossed for good updates...

Spider
-2nd April 2014, 08:48
Hi,

I hope the below link to the You Tube site works ok.


http://t.co/YaIlWN7XR1

BackStabber
-2nd April 2014, 12:36
Hmm... looked at the Ophardt website at the entries. Interesting that we only have two cadet foilists and not three. According to the selections one of those in the non-travelling reserve. !?

Starting list:
http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4474-13/starter/

Selection
http://www.britishfencing.com/news/latest-news/?n=1000

Surely if two fencers decided that they did not wish to go then you would take another one? Or did they withdraw themselves at short notice?

Fleetfoot
-2nd April 2014, 14:04
BackStabber...interesting alias.

I think I like the O'Jays version better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

Nick E
-3rd April 2014, 06:50
Links to results for the first day. Kicks off with cadet women's foil:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4471-13/global/

Followed by cadet men's sabre:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4475-13/global/

Both links have poules up already. These links might just go to main page for that weapon, but close enough to get to other areas of results as the day goes on - I hope.

Miacat
-3rd April 2014, 08:35
[QUOTE=BackStabber;293439]Hmm... looked at the Ophardt website at the entries. Interesting that we only have two cadet foilists and not three. According to the selections one of those in the non-travelling reserve. !?


Also interesting to see that the French have decided to only send their top Cadet fencer in each category and no French Cadet teams. (I do know why). Whereas in the Juniors its a full set for individual and team.

Stressed
-3rd April 2014, 09:06
I don't believe there is a team event for the cadets.
There are only teams for the juniors.
As it has always been at the World Cadet & Junior Champs.

Nick E
-3rd April 2014, 09:06
Jade Clarke ranks top for GB - V4 D2 placed 32/88

Yasmin Campbell V2 D4 placed 55/88

Emma Kurtis V0 D5 placed 83/88

Top 70 make the cut

Nick E
-3rd April 2014, 10:27
Joshua Maxwell top for GB V5 D1 ranking at 14

William Deary with V4 D1 ranking at 22

Fraser Woodburn with V3 D2 ranking at 41

99 fenced with 83 qualifiers.

Nick E
-3rd April 2014, 11:17
Jade Clarke ranks top for GB - V4 D2 placed 32/88

Yasmin Campbell V2 D4 placed 55/88

Emma Kurtis V0 D5 placed 83/88

Top 70 make the cut

Jade unfortunately loses (15 - 12 (ish) - two different scores showing)

Yasmin also loses (15 - 9 or 16 - 10)

Coupe du Nord
-3rd April 2014, 12:48
Woodburn loses 15-7.
Maxwell loses 15-10
Dreary loses 15-8.

Not a good day for the Truro Trio.

rake
-3rd April 2014, 12:54
After such a blinding start in the poules, they must be gutted. They're a talented bunch, so hope they can take the experience forward with them :)

Nick E
-3rd April 2014, 21:26
The L32 of CWF and CMS should be on the links from Thursday, and I believe with live streaming on Youtube from the main competition site:

www.wchplovdiv2014.com/us/livestreaming

Results for Women's Épée prelim rounds will be on:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4470-13/global/

And for men's épée on:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4473-13/global/

cesh_fencing
-4th April 2014, 06:41
Still have Cadet W Epee to go today with 115 entries

www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4470-13/rounds/1

3 fencing for GBR
Alix Turley
Lydia Stainier
Medora McCarthy

Also 2 other GB based fencers Tia Simms-Lymn (JAM) and Yasmine Fosu (GHA).

Good luck Girls...

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 06:52
Followed by the cadet men's, with Aml Sinclair, Owen Jordan and Charlie Dean. Another busy day. Links to both men's and women's épée in the links above.

143 entries for the men's as I recall.

Tim Andrews also fencing for Ireland.

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 09:26
Still have Cadet W Epee to go today with 115 entries

www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4470-13/rounds/1

3 fencing for GBR
Alix Turley
Lydia Stainier
Medora McCarthy

Also 2 other GB based fencers Tia Simms-Lymn (JAM) and Yasmine Fosu (GHA).

Good luck Girls...

Top fencer is currently McCarthy at 6th, with Simms-Lymn at 25th; Stanier at 64th; Fosu at 74th and Turley at 79th. All made the cut.

gethylogic
-4th April 2014, 11:25
Sorry if etc, but I couldn't find the video link on here so here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBVWbpLzsd4

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 11:25
Top fencer is currently McCarthy at 6th, with Simms-Lymn at 25th; Stanier at 64th; Fosu at 74th and Turley at 79th. All made the cut.

McCarthy and Simms-Lymn got byes into the L64.

Stanier loses 15 - 14; Fosu loses 15 - 4 and Turley loses 15 - 8 in the L128

rake
-4th April 2014, 12:49
Solid results for the boys too: Aml Sinclair V5D1, Tim Andrews V4D2, Charlie Dean V3D3, Owen Jordan V3D3. Hope it translates into good draws.

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 14:37
McCarthy and Simms-Lymn got byes into the L64.

Medora McCarthy loses 15 - 13 in the L64. Tia however goes on, winning 15 - 11

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 14:45
Solid results for the boys too: Aml Sinclair V5D1, Tim Andrews V4D2, Charlie Dean V3D3, Owen Jordan V3D3. Hope it translates into good draws.

Aml ranked 15th has a bye to the L64.

Tim goes into the L64, winning 15 - 14.

Owen goes out in the 128, score says 16 - 7 so poss 15 - 7 / 15 - 6.

Charlie's score has stopped with him down at 7 - 3 but no idea of end result.

rake
-4th April 2014, 14:52
Charlie's score has stopped with him down at 7 - 3 but no idea of end result.
Apparently 16-13 down against Ogilvie (NZL).

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 15:45
Apparently 16-13 down against Ogilvie (NZL).

Corrected now to 15 - 12 loss, so just Aml still in for GB, and Tim for Ireland.

Cyranna's Father
-4th April 2014, 15:46
Corrected now to 15 - 12 loss, so just Aml still in for GB, and Tim for Ireland.

Tim not having a good time, down 0 : 6

keep forgetting he is now irish

rake
-4th April 2014, 15:54
Tim not having a good time, down 0 : 6

keep forgetting he is now irish
Plymouth is turning into a proper exclave these days. There are two Irish senior fencers and two Irish pentathletes training there as well as Tim. Out 15-4, sadly.

Cyranna's Father
-4th April 2014, 15:54
Andrews gone, 4 : 15

Cyranna's Father
-4th April 2014, 15:56
Aml Sinclair down 8 : 9 at end of second period

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 15:59
With Aml out now 15 - 11.

Cyranna's Father
-4th April 2014, 15:59
Aml gone 11 : 15 by the look of it

Nick E
-4th April 2014, 18:22
Well done to everyone fencing today.

Getting ready for Saturday we have Men's Cadet Foil and Women's Cadet Sabre. Plus Tia Simms-Lymn as a GB based fencer still going in the L32 of the Women's Cadet Épée.

Foil:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4474-13/global/

Sabre:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4472-13/global/

Épée:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com/en/competition/4470-13/global/

Nick E
-5th April 2014, 07:38
Unless anyone is having more success the live score website seems to be down. Tried from the main comp page too with no difference.

Nick E
-5th April 2014, 07:49
Unless anyone is having more success the live score website seems to be down. Tried from the main comp page too with no difference.

And back up ....... Well sort of.

Nick E
-5th April 2014, 10:07
When one route for info fails, try another one:

@britishfencing: CMF Worlds 1stRd: Feaster V0D5, Kiss V4D2 #gbrfencing

Thanks twitter.

Nick E
-5th April 2014, 11:40
System seems to be working a bit better. Looks like Tia lost her L32 match as her opponent was still showing in the L8, but no idea of scores.

Daniel Kiss into L64.

Women's sabre:

Caitlin Maxwell ranks 10th after the poules
Laura Gladdish ranks 40th
Isabel Turnbull ranks 57th
All get byes into L64.

Cyranna's Father
-5th April 2014, 12:37
System seems to be working a bit better. Looks like Tia lost her L32 match as her opponent was still showing in the L8, but no idea of scores.



Tia lost 11 : 15

pinkelephant
-5th April 2014, 12:45
Daniel Kiss through to tomorrow's L32. Beat Sokolov 15-9. Fantastic!

Nick E
-5th April 2014, 15:46
Caitlin Maxwell ranks 10th after the poules
Laura Gladdish ranks 40th
Isabel Turnbull ranks 57th
All get byes into L64.

Laura and Caitlin through to the L32 I see. Well done.

Keith.A.Smith
-5th April 2014, 19:53
Good luck to those fencing in the top 32 tomorrow.

Nick E
-6th April 2014, 07:25
Daniel Kiss loses 15 - 3 in the L32.

L32 of Sabre this afternoon.

Coupe du Nord
-6th April 2014, 11:52
Gladish loses 15-6. In the L32

Maxwell loses 15-9. In the L32

Nick E
-6th April 2014, 12:23
Good start by our fencers.

Fihosy ranks 4th after the poules, with a bye into the L64.

Chart ranking 55th wins her 128 DE to make the 64

Dickson ranking 40th goes into the 64 with a bye.

All now fencing.

Nick E
-6th April 2014, 12:49
Good start by our fencers.

Fihosy ranks 4th after the poules, with a bye into the L64.

Chart ranking 55th wins her 128 DE to make the 64

Dickson ranking 40th goes into the 64 with a bye.

All now fencing.

Fihosy wins 15 - 13 to go into the L32

Dickson and Chart both go out.

Nick E
-6th April 2014, 12:52
Meanwhile in sabre ..... Webb ranks 41st after the poules, and wins through to the L64 by 15 - 3.

And then wins 15 - 10 to also make the L32.

Keith.A.Smith
-6th April 2014, 16:57
Well done on more top 32 results. I hope we will get to see a top 16 or top 8 result yet.

Keith.A.Smith
-7th April 2014, 08:49
Ayesha Fihosy loses in 32, but still a good effort to make a Junior 32. Good luck to all the fencers competiting today.

Fleetfoot
-7th April 2014, 13:20
Great effort by all in Bulgaria.
Does anyone know of BF had targets or goals for these Cadet kids?

Ronald Velden
-7th April 2014, 13:53
Great effort by all in Bulgaria.
Does anyone know of BF had targets or goals for these Cadet kids?

The World Championships have still to be completed. I don't know what individual expectations were but I would
suggest that the Cadet results, which are now complete were rather disappointing with just 2 x L32. This is well
down on previous years.

Looking at the statistics published by FIE we finished the six events ranked 19th of all nations participating in World Championships based on overall results.

Last year we produced 1 x L8 [Hudson in Womens Epee], 2 x L16 [Stanier Womens Epee, Webb Mens Sabre] and
4 x L32.Only 2 weapons failed to produce a last 32 or better.

Ronald Velden
-7th April 2014, 15:17
Correction there were 3 cadets in last 32 this year.

Apart from last year I would also mention that in 2012 we produced 4 last 16 results and 6 last 32 results so that
the performance this year is well short those of previous 2 years.

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:25
L128 JME

Marsh out 13 : 15 to Fardzinov (Rus)

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:30
Only 2 weapons failed to produce a last 32 or better.

Just curious Ronald (and maybe a little lazy) if you have the details to hand which weapons were those?

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:34
Paul S-L now on against Djamico of Czech

Ronald Velden
-7th April 2014, 15:38
Just curious Ronald (and maybe a little lazy) if you have the details to hand which weapons were those?

Mens epee and womens sabre did not make last 32 or better last year.

Womens Epee L8 [Hudson] L16 [Stanir]
Mens Sabre L16 [Webb] L32 [Amsalem & Deary]
Mens Foil L32 [Birch]
Womens Foil L32 [Fihosy]

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:42
Beaumont also now on against Ilieski (MKD)

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:42
Mens epee and womens sabre did not make last 32 or better last year.

Womens Epee L8 [Hudson] L16 [Stanir]
Mens Sabre L16 [Webb] L32 [Amsalem & Deary]
Mens Foil L32 [Birch]
Womens Foil L32 [Fihosy]

thank you RV

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 15:58
Nick Beaumont through L128 in second period 15 : 7

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 16:14
Paul S-L through 15 : 8 after what looks like a breakdown of the original piste

pria chatterjee
-7th April 2014, 16:48
The World Championships have still to be completed. I don't know what individual expectations were but I would
suggest that the Cadet results, which are now complete were rather disappointing with just 2 x L32. This is well
down on previous years.



Looking at the statistics published by FIE we finished the six events ranked 19th of all nations participating in World Championships based on overall results.

Last year we produced 1 x L8 [Hudson in Womens Epee], 2 x L16 [Stanier Womens Epee, Webb Mens Sabre] and
4 x L32.Only 2 weapons failed to produce a last 32 or better.

Ronald: How could you overlook a Camden fencer!! Aliya was 13th in WS at Worlds last year!

Ronald Velden
-7th April 2014, 16:51
Ronald: How could you overlook a Camden fencer!! Aliya was 13th in WS at Worlds last year!

Pria

I have not overlooked Aliya or other Junior results, because these have not been completed yet.

What I have published are Cadet Results.

Please send Aliya my best wishes for tomorrow.

Ronald

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 17:11
Paul S-L out by the look of it 4 : 15 to Nguyen (Vie)

Cyranna's Father
-7th April 2014, 17:22
Beaumont through 15 : 9 over Mohsen (EGY)

Nick E
-8th April 2014, 10:29
Mens Foil:

Archer ranks 6th after the poules, with a bye to the L64

Brosnan ranks 65th, but loses L128 fight 15/11

Hendrie ranks 89th, still to fight L128


Womens Sabre (I think these are final post poule rankings):

Itzkowitz 27th & Daykin 75th (93 fencers listed on results).

Info says 74 make the cut, but DE detail not yet showing.

ED_R
-8th April 2014, 10:44
Nick Beaumont in L32 on red - starting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXlfkK7sj8

Nick E
-8th April 2014, 10:59
Nick Beaumont in L32 on red - starting now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUXlfkK7sj8

Out 15 - 9.

ED_R
-8th April 2014, 12:03
Well done Nick. Good luck for the teams

Keith.A.Smith
-8th April 2014, 12:31
Good to see another 32.

Hope we get beyond a top 32 in the individuals.

What news in MF and WS?

Keith.A.Smith
-8th April 2014, 12:36
I see Kristjan our only fencer left in. Good luck in the 64 match.

Miacat
-8th April 2014, 15:09
Berg (DEN) defeated Archer 15-13

Nick E
-8th April 2014, 15:43
Womens Sabre:

Aliya Itzkowitz finished 34th, losing 15 - 11 in her L64 fight. As suspected earlier, Kate missed the cut by one place.

Not quite a Vet
-8th April 2014, 16:36
Good Luck to GB Junior Girls Foil Team tomorrow...

20 Teams GB in L16 placed 12th at start, fencing China in first De.

Not quite a Vet
-8th April 2014, 19:19
Good Luck to GB Junior Girls Foil Team tomorrow...

20 Teams GB in L16 placed 12th at start, fencing China in first De.

My mistake Girls aren't up till Thursday with a Bye into L16 in 12th place.

JohnL
-9th April 2014, 15:50
Chen (China) stamping on both Massialas and Choupenich in the Junior MF was a suprise.

Miacat
-9th April 2014, 20:09
Chen (China) stamping on both Massialas and Choupenich in the Junior MF was a suprise.

Saw the final match against Choupenich - 15-6 in the first 3 minute period with time to spare! He made it look so easy.

TBennett
-9th April 2014, 20:16
Tell you what else looked easy.. Mens Epee Junior final. Korean scored the first 2 hits to go 2-0 up then proceeded to lose 15-2. Collapse.

RustySabre
-9th April 2014, 22:16
Tell you what else looked easy.. Mens Epee Junior final. Korean scored the first 2 hits to go 2-0 up then proceeded to lose 15-2. Collapse.

But the South Korean supporters never lost hope...though I notice that whenever they yelled, Yamada got the point.

Coupe du Nord
-10th April 2014, 08:56
I notice that the GBR Womens Foil Team lost to China 45-26.
Do we have any other weapon teams entered ?

Gav
-10th April 2014, 10:26
I notice that the GBR Womens Foil Team lost to China 45-26.
Do we have any other weapon teams entered ?

Ouch.

That's really all I have to add...

Nick E
-10th April 2014, 10:49
Do we have any other weapon teams entered ?

Mens Foil and Epee have teams

Epee on this afternoon, in the 15 vs 18 match against Kazakhstan.

rake
-10th April 2014, 11:17
Ouch.

That's really all I have to add...
Bigger numbers make the gaps sound worse - 45-26 is like losing a DE 15-9. Considering the strength of the Chinese team (four girls in the top 40 of the JWF rankings), it may not be close but it's not an annihilation.

Gav
-10th April 2014, 11:23
I know that. However it's still a big gap. Even 15-9 is a big gap.

tigger
-10th April 2014, 11:57
I disagree - 45/26 in a team event is an annihilation however you look at it.

JohnL
-10th April 2014, 12:03
Sorry Rake, I think you're going to be in the minority here.

45-26 is a dumping!

rake
-10th April 2014, 12:30
Other opinions are available (and are usually correct...) It was just a thought from this BUCS season: winning a DE 15-6 is an absolute smackdown, but winning a team match 45-18 sounds like an even bigger kicking when proportionally it's the same margin. I wasn't trying to suggest it was a great result, more playing devil's advocate. :) Just a thought.

Apologies for dragging things off topic and best of luck to the JME team this afternoon!

Keith.A.Smith
-10th April 2014, 12:48
Good luck to ME and MF teams.

I hope we can still get one really good result from these championships, but the team events are not easy.

Our ceiling seems to have been top 32 in individuals this year. Disappointing for the fencers.

Gildas Braine
-10th April 2014, 13:03
Other opinions are available (and are usually correct...) It was just a thought from this BUCS season: winning a DE 15-6 is an absolute smackdown, but winning a team match 45-18 sounds like an even bigger kicking when proportionally it's the same margin. I wasn't trying to suggest it was a great result, more playing devil's advocate. :) Just a thought.

Apologies for dragging things off topic and best of luck to the JME team this afternoon!

No worries Rake. Besides, it's always nice to see people trying to see things in the most positive light possible! It terms of proportions, of course you're right, 45-26 is nearly the same as 15-9. However in a team event, this would GENERALLY represents a much greater difference in performance levels, and that's due the format of team events. The team that is behind can potentially make up a lot of lost ground in any one relay, whereas the team that is ahead can only ever increase their lead by a maximum of 5 hits per relay (assuming relays are not going to time). Therefore relays between the weaker team's stronger fencers and the stronger team's weaker fencers usually have a tempering effect on the difference between the scores. A score of 45-26 suggests all three fencers in the winning team were probably stronger than all three in the losing team, and none of the weaker team's fencers were able to make up any significant ground, if any.

Ronald Velden
-10th April 2014, 14:02
The match between GB and China was close up to fourth period with score 14-14 [indeed we were actually winning
during second period].

Sadly when the match moved into the 5th period onwards the Chinese either raised their game or we declined.
This appears to be the problem with far too many British matches.

I did not watch this match, but I have watched the small number of individual matches which reached the last 32.
British fencers are sadly far too often technically inefficient and tactically on dimensional.

rake
-10th April 2014, 15:06
And the JME progress to the L8, beating Kazakhstan 45-35. Not sure who was fencing, but it looks like a lovely comeback happened in the fourth bout, turning it around from 9-15 down to a 20-18 lead. Well done that young man, and to the whole team :D

JamieMiller
-10th April 2014, 15:52
And the JME progress to the L8, beating Kazakhstan 45-35. Not sure who was fencing, but it looks like a lovely comeback happened in the fourth bout, turning it around from 9-15 down to a 20-18 lead. Well done that young man, and to the whole team :D

They are through to the L16 where they have Poland tomorrow at 11am Bulgarian time - 9am UK time.

rake
-10th April 2014, 16:15
They are through to the L16 where they have Poland tomorrow at 11am Bulgarian time - 9am UK time.
Argh forgive me, the site displays horribly on my phone.

Keith.A.Smith
-10th April 2014, 17:27
Good luck to the ME team. Give us our first top 8 of these championships.

ED_R
-10th April 2014, 22:33
Hopefully we will have a Polish coach watching from the sidelines who can help if needs be ;)

Nick E
-11th April 2014, 08:21
Mens Foil Team (ranked 17th) up today (13.30 local time) vs Ukraine (16th) in L32 match. Winner fences Korea.

Also - GB vs Poland match in Epee now going on. And very even at the moment.

Nick E
-11th April 2014, 08:45
Soooooo close for the Mens Epee Team. Led by one or two hits throughout most periods, switching to a hit behind in the 8th. And then finish up losing 45 - 35 in a frantic last period by the looks of things.

Coupe du Nord
-11th April 2014, 08:46
Lost to Poland 45-35. Were 25-23 up at one stage, but fell away in second half.

Nick E
-11th April 2014, 12:25
Mens Foil Team (ranked 17th) up today (13.30 local time) vs Ukraine (16th) in L32 match. Winner fences Korea.

Nice 45 - 32 win to take the lads through to the L16 - fencing in the morning.

JohnL
-11th April 2014, 12:52
Nice 45 - 32 win to take the lads through to the L16 - fencing in the morning.

Hey, well done guys

And nothing wrong with taking out the #1 seeds on your way to the title!!!

Nick E
-12th April 2014, 07:31
Men's Foil Team lose 45 - 28 against top seeds Korea. A big ask to win that one. Should rank 15th by the looks of it.

Tubby
-12th April 2014, 09:02
Possibly 14th?

Not quite a Vet
-12th April 2014, 14:44
It's a shame to see one of the recent GBR WF pathway fencers from the Championships now down as USA at the Birmingham International.

If it's not a typo good luck to the athlete, but seems strange so close with points and date for English Commonwealth selection.

Not quite a Vet
-15th April 2014, 18:47
It's a shame to see one of the recent GBR WF pathway fencers from the Championships now down as USA at the Birmingham International.

If it's not a typo good luck to the athlete, but seems strange so close with points and date for English Commonwealth selection.

Typo, now down as GBR rather than USA.