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Rudd
-12th July 2015, 19:13
...starts tomorrow.

Entries and results: http://fie.org/competitions/world-championship/schedule

Live streaming: http://fie.org/competitions/world-championship/streams

Double Riposte
-13th July 2015, 11:44
Interesting that both genders of the same weapon are on the same day, break from recent traditions of scheduling.

Sabre today.

Honeybone V2D4 97th
Crutchett V4D2 55th
Miller V3D2 (Congolese fencer scratched) 68th
Webb V2D4 91st

Double Riposte
-13th July 2015, 11:50
Sad that Eurosport has reduced their fencing coverage this year. Live coverage only available Tuesday, Friday and Sunday - 16.45-18.30 UK Time. Highlights at various points overnight and early morning throughout the week but no idea which events each programme covers.

riposteinprime
-13th July 2015, 12:24
Interesting that both genders of the same weapon are on the same day, break from recent traditions of scheduling.

Same thing was done last year.

Keith.A.Smith
-13th July 2015, 13:01
Any updates on results for GB sabreurs?

hokers
-13th July 2015, 13:04
James beats TO(VIE) 15-8, has his good friend Casares (ESP) for L64
Alex has a bye, then beats VORONOV (ISR) for L64
Curtis has a bye and loses 13-15 to BOYKO (UKR)
JJ beats FIRAT (TUR) then loses 8-15 to VAN HOLSBEKE (BEL)

hokers
-13th July 2015, 13:12
James out to Casares 14-15

JohnL
-13th July 2015, 13:34
Looks like Alex gets Ochiuzzi tomorrow morning in the 64.

Double Riposte
-13th July 2015, 13:36
Good luck to Alex against Ochiuzzi tomorrow.

Double Riposte
-14th July 2015, 10:46
Crotchet went down 11-15 against Ochiuzzi.

Liv coverage on Eurosport 4.45pm this evening.

ChrisHeaps
-14th July 2015, 16:37
Sabre semis just starting.

http://fie.org/competitions/world-championship/streams

Keith.A.Smith
-14th July 2015, 20:05
Corinna Lawrence went out in the pre 64 tableau.

A very good day for Russia with two GOLD medals in sabre.

Good luck to GB Men's and Women's foil tomorrow.

Rudd
-14th July 2015, 20:27
Corinna Lawrence went out in the pre 64 tableau.

A very good day for Russia with two GOLD medals in sabre.

Good luck to GB Men's and Women's foil tomorrow.

Christian Bauer will be happy.

Rob.Leicester
-14th July 2015, 20:35
The Russians have now won the last three world individual Men's sabre titles, with three different fencers.

That's quite a record....

J4G
-15th July 2015, 09:43
Is there no stream for the prelim 64?

Keith.A.Smith
-15th July 2015, 10:45
Good to see James Davis joined by Richard and Laurence in the main 64 tableau for tomorrow. Marcus unlucky to lose 15-14.

Good luck for tomorrow and to Natalia for today.

JohnL
-15th July 2015, 13:12
LH gets Llavador - wasn't he the Spaniard who came out of nowhere in the Europeans.
JD has Pranz (Austria)
RK gets LePechoux

Unfortunately it looks like all 3 Brits are in the same 1/4 of the DE.

Keith.A.Smith
-15th July 2015, 13:50
Natalia straight through to the main 64 tomorrow. Good news.

Good luck to all the fencers tomorrow.

Keith.A.Smith
-15th July 2015, 20:17
Golds for Hungary and Italy tonight, but very impressed that Sweden, Denmark and Tunisia all won medals.

Also interesting that the men's epee world champion, Imre of Hungary is 41 years old!

Double Riposte
-15th July 2015, 23:25
Golds for Hungary and Italy tonight, but very impressed that Sweden, Denmark and Tunisia all won medals.

Also interesting that the men's epee world champion, Imre of Hungary is 41 years old!

Impressive. Olympic medallist from 1996....made his World Championship debut over 20 years ago in 1993.

The Driver
-16th July 2015, 10:42
Impressive. Olympic medallist from 1996....made his World Championship debut over 20 years ago in 1993.

..... taking 1996 Bronze after losing to Ivan Trevejo, 1996 Olympic Silver and 2015 Gold at Baku

Foilling Around
-16th July 2015, 11:28
What a shame, at 10:10 after a cagey minute it was RK who blinked first and started to chase it.

Foilling Around
-16th July 2015, 11:44
To use a cricketing analogy, JD looked like he could only see the fielders and had no idea where the gaps were.

hokers
-16th July 2015, 12:07
Confused

Looks to me like RK just beat Massialas 15-11 to make L16, and JD just beat Chen 15-5?
Sounds like good news to me.
LH vs Son not started yet.

Ah - the results list is wrong, you're watching on the live feed, got it now.

The Driver
-16th July 2015, 12:21
Laurence wins 15-9 having been 1-5 down in the first period

Cyranna's Father
-16th July 2015, 12:23
Confused

Looks to me like RK just beat Massialas 15-11 to make L16, and JD just beat Chen 15-5?
Sounds like good news to me.
LH vs Son not started yet.

Ah - the results list is wrong, you're watching on the live feed, got it now.

RK & JAD both gone (11 : 15 & 5 : 15)

Halsted through, 15 : 9

Keith.A.Smith
-16th July 2015, 12:28
Good luck to Laurence in the top 16 fight. Disappointed for James and Richard.

Double Riposte
-16th July 2015, 13:10
Disappointing for Richard and James but best of luck to Laurence against Romanian Daraban, world number 72 - good chance!

Also, the first rounds of the MST were today - GBR 17th seeds in a big field of 32 teams. Beat 16th seeds HK 45-31 and then lost to number 1 seeds Germany 28-45 in the L16, now go into the repechage tableau, which I think continues tomorrow.

Not sure what team they put out, but 3rd seeds Italy lost to 19th seeds Mexico in the L16. Bad result for them!

Keith.A.Smith
-16th July 2015, 13:47
Good draw for Laurence. The MS team fences Iran next in the 9-16 table.

hokers
-16th July 2015, 14:33
Good draw for Laurence. The MS team fences Iran next in the 9-16 table.
LH on the live stream now 4-1 up.
http://fie.org/competitions/world-championship/streams

hokers
-16th July 2015, 14:44
Wins 15-8 for L8 :)

Keith.A.Smith
-16th July 2015, 14:51
Well done to Laurence. Good win and into the top 8. I think our last MF top 8 at a world championships was 2003 in Cuba and then again in 2004 at the Athens Olympics.

Now let's hope he can win a medal.

JohnL
-16th July 2015, 15:10
Great win for Laurence.

Hope he goes well against Massialas in the L8.

Damn feed's playing up for me at the moment!!!!

lightening
-16th July 2015, 15:11
Well done to Laurence. Good win and into the top 8. I think our last MF top 8 at a world championships was 2003 in Cuba and then again in 2004 at the Athens Olympics.

Now let's hope he can win a medal.

James Davis made a top 8 last year, finishing 6th. Good luck to Laurence in the top 8!

Double Riposte
-16th July 2015, 15:48
Laurence was up 10-3 when I tuned in, but sadly went on to lose 12-15. A great day for him nonetheless. And it means British Fencing meet their Funding target of course.

With LH in this sort of form, the team have a real chance to do something big on Sunday.

JohnL
-16th July 2015, 15:49
LH loses 15-12

Started on fire but Massialas clawed his way back.

L8 is a great result for LH, but I'm sure he'll be disappointed at not making the medals.

Well done Laurence!!!

Keith.A.Smith
-16th July 2015, 16:11
Great result from Laurence. Well done.

Overall GB ends up with 1x top 8, 2xtop 32 and 2xtop64 from the individual results.


Good luck to the MF team.

Keith.A.Smith
-16th July 2015, 18:42
Golds for Japan and Russia. The USA and Russia each picked up three medals each today.

Foilling Around
-16th July 2015, 20:04
Massialas and Meinhardt are excellent fencers, but they looked like they were clog dancing whilst Ota was conducting a ballet lesson. Just wow!

Just think of the hours and hours of footwork practice.

For all the coaches out there: Take note. When the foil talent coaches do a 3 x 3 minutes of footwork in the assessment they want variety in balance. Not to that standard, but showing they understand what it means.

Often we just see nine minutes of step and lunge. Work on footwork combinations backwards and forwards, change of direction and distance control.

hokers
-16th July 2015, 22:11
Also, the first rounds of the MST were today - GBR 17th seeds in a big field of 32 teams. Beat 16th seeds HK 45-31 and then lost to number 1 seeds Germany 28-45 in the L16, now go into the repechage tableau, which I think continues tomorrow.
!
No, they lost to Iran (33), then Spain (39) to finish 15th.

pinkelephant
-17th July 2015, 07:04
It's not repechage. It's all places fenced (from the last 16).

3 Card Trick
-17th July 2015, 07:49
Normal.

Ronald Velden
-17th July 2015, 11:08
Massialas and Meinhardt are excellent fencers, but they looked like they were clog dancing whilst Ota was conducting a ballet lesson. Just wow!

Just think of the hours and hours of footwork practice.

For all the coaches out there: Take note. When the foil talent coaches do a 3 x 3 minutes of footwork in the assessment they want variety in balance. Not to that standard, but showing they understand what it means.

Often we just see nine minutes of step and lunge. Work on footwork combinations backwards and forwards, change of direction and distance control.

There is always a lot of discussion about British Fencers poor footwork and the lack of time devoted to exercises.

However, realistically the key elements which are lacking in most fencers is "gymnasticity" and "dexterity". Several
years ago I watched a young Szylagi whilst still a Cadet winning the European Junior Championships and it was
patently obvious that he was naturally gifted in that particular department.

You can of course improve footwork through exercises, but it does not compensate for natural ability.

hokers
-17th July 2015, 12:28
Not sure what team they put out, but 3rd seeds Italy lost to 19th seeds Mexico in the L16. Bad result for them!

Italy are still in, currently fencing the L8.
I think the live results are often shown the wrong way round on the site.

Looking like Russia/Germany/Italy for L4, but France vs Korea on now is HUGE - france 43-41 up now with Apithy on last.

hokers
-17th July 2015, 12:34
France through 45-44 - PIL final hit for Apithy!

Keith.A.Smith
-17th July 2015, 18:35
Gold medals for Russia and Italy today. The USA won another medal too.

Good luck to the GB MF team who fence tomorrow.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-17th July 2015, 18:40
Assuming we both win in L32 then another showdown with Germany. Hopefully lessons learnt from most recent couple of meetings when they tactically outmanouvered us.

Also Halsted must start!

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 11:07
If the website is right then the lads have just beaten Germany 29:28 in the extra minute. What I shame it was not on the YouTube channel

Real boost to Olympic qualification. Not just the L8+ finish, but to dump out the main rivals.

Actually it is a really major boost. Germany will drop 28 ranking points and GBR will at least keep their points so we could leapfrog them. If we can medal then we certainly will.

Ronald Velden
-18th July 2015, 11:14
If the website is right then the lads have just beaten Germany 29:28 in the extra minute. What I shame it was not on the YouTube channel

Real boost to Olympic qualification. Not just the L8+ finish, but to dump out the main rivals.

You were premature, but the result has now been confirmed and we are through to last 8. I suspect that if it was
not single light the decision would have been challenged, because the reality is that had we lost this match and
it looked bleak when James was losing 26-22 we would have been almost certainly out of the Olympics next summer.

That is how critical this result was.

Ronald Velden
-18th July 2015, 11:19
Anyway well done to James,Laurence and Richard. Job in very difficult circumstances well done.

JohnL
-18th July 2015, 11:26
Results sheet seems to indicate that bgt have gone through to the L8 but the match score seems to have frozen at Gb leading 29-28 after 8 fights.

Anyone know what's actually going on?

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 11:29
Bad day for Germany's foil all round Men seeded 7th and Women seeded 6th both out in L6 to GRR and HUN respectively.

JohnL
-18th July 2015, 11:37
Great win for the guys!!!

Hopefully they do well against Russia. The L4 would be a huge result.

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 11:48
Great win for the guys!!!

Hopefully they do well against Russia. The L4 would be a huge result.

Or maybe Canada! Russia only 13:12 ahead as I type!!

JohnL
-18th July 2015, 11:55
I'll confess I'm cheering for Canada, but my brain tells me it won't happen!!!

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 12:22
I'll confess I'm cheering for Canada, but my brain tells me it won't happen!!!

And your brain was right!

Keith.A.Smith
-18th July 2015, 12:33
Very good result for the GB MF team. Good luck for tomorrow.

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 14:27
There is always a lot of discussion about British Fencers poor footwork and the lack of time devoted to exercises.

However, realistically the key elements which are lacking in most fencers is "gymnasticity" and "dexterity". Several
years ago I watched a young Szylagi whilst still a Cadet winning the European Junior Championships and it was
patently obvious that he was naturally gifted in that particular department.

You can of course improve footwork through exercises, but it does not compensate for natural ability.

Ron you could say that about aspect of any sport, so let's all give up and leave it to those with the best natural ability!!

We have some fantastic natural athletes up and coming. Just in the boys foil I could name Ben Bates, Dan Kiss and Harry Bird. I'm talking about a state of mind. Sometimes we rely on speed, power and a fast hand to compensate for distance problems. Agility subtly and change of direction can often win the point more easily leaving more energy left for the later rounds of a competition. That is where footwork comes in.

JohnL
-18th July 2015, 17:02
Looks like Germany lost to Egypt and drop down to a 10th place result.

JackSparrow
-18th July 2015, 17:11
Really nice 'highlights' video of Ota at the World Championships:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6GAgOyoPfY

rake
-18th July 2015, 18:06
Really nice 'highlights' video of Ota at the World Championships:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6GAgOyoPfY

As my teenage sister would say, "I can't even."

Foilling Around
-18th July 2015, 19:01
Great incentive to beat Russia tomorrow. Currently we have an 8 point switch with Germany from last year so instead of being 24 points ahead of us in the rankings they will be 16. Now that is good and we have more to gain that they do in the next few Coupes du Monde.

However a victory over Russia will give an extra 20 points at least and catapult us above Germany in the Olympic race.

Keith.A.Smith
-18th July 2015, 19:05
Germany ended up 10th today, so really hope GB can pull out a really good result tomorrow.

Good luck.

JohnL
-19th July 2015, 11:36
GB lose 40-38 to the Russians

Match of 2 parts

Terrible spotting the Russians a16 point lead after 7 fights!! Looked really tentative against a Russian team that came out hard and aggressive from the start.

Great last fights from RK and JD to almost make it.

Hope the guys stay positive for the 5-8 place matches. Every place is important.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-19th July 2015, 13:12
Looks like Davis just won 43-42 in priority minute vs Korea.

Puts into 5-6 playoff vs USA

Keith.A.Smith
-19th July 2015, 13:24
Good luck for the 5th place match. Every place helps towards Olympic Qualification.

Adam Blight
-19th July 2015, 14:21
This is the link to my video of some last 64 Men's Foil bouts including Richard, James and Laurence. https://youtu.be/bdoN-P2atRE

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-19th July 2015, 14:32
GB beat USA 45-42 for 5th place. Well done to the team!! That's a 20 point swing between Germany & GBR which should bring the gap down to 4 points.

hokers
-19th July 2015, 14:33
GB beat USA to take 5th place.

Keith.A.Smith
-19th July 2015, 14:58
Great effort by the GB MF team in winning 5th place today at the World Championships. Narrows the gap on Germany and the top European place for Rio.

Well done and good luck for the coming season.

JohnL
-19th July 2015, 15:51
Great wins against both Korea and USA!!!!

Fought well under pressure against top teams.

Well done guys.

Foilling Around
-19th July 2015, 20:19
Next Team event. We defend 21 points for 13th and Germany defend 40 points for 3rd. Even if we do no better than L16 then Germany have to make 4th to stay ahead.

Keith.A.Smith
-20th July 2015, 14:26
Paul, thanks for your post. Good news for the MF team.

I see USA have moved up to 4th now and that currently means Brazil would qualify as the best Americas team.

A long way to go to the final qualification date, but I would put a wager on that GB MF team will qualify for Rio, provided they really go for it at every team event and do not have any injury problems or refereeing "bad luck" in the remaining events.

JohnL
-20th July 2015, 15:51
Keith

I'm not sure what document you're looking at. I found this current sheet on the fencing.net website which appears to show the current rankings including the WC results.

Can anyone confirm?


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LfWwjkgL35Dipn_hZe8hVjLnVFDVx6j7dcPybuUeRgY/edit#gid=0

J4G
-20th July 2015, 16:35
That's a great find! What this doc tells me is that, as things stand, we have to keep out performing Germany and that those 3 top European teams stay in the top 4.


Keith

I'm not sure what document you're looking at. I found this current sheet on the fencing.net website which appears to show the current rankings including the WC results.

Can anyone confirm?

I think Keith is looking at the current world rankings on the FIE site (http://fie.org/results-statistic/ranking?result_models_Ranks%5BFencCatId%5D=S&result_models_Ranks%5BWeaponId%5D=F&result_models_Ranks%5BGenderId%5D=M&result_models_Ranks%5BCompTypeId%5D=E&result_models_Ranks%5BCPYear%5D=2015&result_models_Ranks%5BNationality%5D=&result_models_Ranks%5BLastName%5D=)

Double Riposte
-20th July 2015, 16:39
Keith

I'm not sure what document you're looking at. I found this current sheet on the fencing.net website which appears to show the current rankings including the WC results.

Can anyone confirm?


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LfWwjkgL35Dipn_hZe8hVjLnVFDVx6j7dcPybuUeRgY/edit#gid=0

Correct. I think Keith (and others on this thread) have been looking at the World Rankings, but Olympic Qualification actually comprises a separate ranking.

Keith.A.Smith
-20th July 2015, 21:03
Hi all,

I have been looking at the FIE World team rankings. I also looked at the FIE Urgent letters for 2014, which contain the Olympic Qualification system.

The team event qualification is World Cups, World Championships and Zonal team championships (The European Championships for us). The period is 3rd April 2015 to 4th April 2016. Top 4 teams qualify, plus top team per zone provided the team is in the top 16 of the FIE ranking.

Is there an FIE Official OG team ranking anywhere? I would certainly like to see it.

Will the FIE ranking not be the same as the ranking as above by April 2016?

I did like the other ranking that shows us already ahead of Germany.

Keith.A.Smith
-20th July 2015, 21:12
FIE Official Team Ranking List of 4 April 2016
The Team Ranking List is established according to the number of points accumulated during the competitions below from 3 April 2015 to 4 April 2016:
1. Team World Cup Competitions
2. Team World Championships
3. Team Continental Championships
- The first four (4) teams on the FIE Official Team Ranking of 4 April 2016, irrespective of which zone they are from, qualify for the Olympic Games.
NOC

QUALIFICATION PATHWAY
Original Version: ENGLISH JUNE 2014
Page 2/7
QUALIFICATION SYSTEM GAMES OF THE XXXI OLYMPIAD RIO 2016
- The highest ranked team from each of the four (4) FIE zones (Africa, America, Asia-Oceania, Europe) among the teams ranked from the 5th to the 16th position on the FIE Official Team Ranking of 4 April 2016 qualify for the Olympic Games.
- If a zone is not represented in these ranking positions, the next team on the FIE Official Team Ranking of 4 April 2016 will qualify, irrespective of its zone.

Foilling Around
-21st July 2015, 17:39
Correct. I think Keith (and others on this thread) have been looking at the World Rankings, but Olympic Qualification actually comprises a separate ranking.

Actually it is not a separate ranking, but you can view it in two different ways

If you start from April 2015 at Zero and add on the points as you go along. On this "race" rankings we are ahead of Germany.

If you use the rolling FIE ranking, which will eventually be the same as the Olympic race ranking, it has the advantage that it tells you who will play whom in the upcoming Coupes du Monde. Starting in San Jose in October and continuing through Tokyo, Paris and Bonn.

Essentially San Jose will be the big one. GBR are defending 13th place and 21 points. Germany are defending 3rd place and 40 points.

I I read things correctly, the in San Jose in the L16 we will face Japan, and Germany will face Egypt. Both matches could go either way. If both teams win then we would face Russia and Germany would face Italy in the L8.

If we reach the same stage as Germany, then we take a major leap forwards and probably leapfrog Japan and Germany in the process (as we will probably have had to beat Japan in the process). That would take us to 6th or 7th in the FIE rankings. If we end up one stage further than Germany then the gap will be even greater. The trouble starts if we go out in L16 and they make L8 or better.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-21st July 2015, 23:44
We may not necessarily face Japan in San Jose. Only Olympics & World Champs go on straight WR. In World Cups the first 4 seeds are by rank then the remainder are drawn by lots in pairs. Rule o.47.

By my reckoning then this means we could meet Germany or Japan in L16 depending on draw.

Makes it all the more interesting if it's Germany again! Would be the 4th time in a row!

Foilling Around
-22nd July 2015, 18:00
Very True, forgot about that.

Remember we are not the under dogs

GER - Top 4 world ranked - 25, 45, 46, 61
JPN - Top 4 world ranked - 2, 50, 54, 56

GBR - Top 4 world ranked - 14, 17, 28, 113

A long time since we had three fencers ranked inside the top 30 in the world.

Having knocked over Korea and USA their should be a lot of confidence there.