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Aoife
-16th May 2004, 20:51
Sooooo then...


Any fencers here from Essex University? If so, what's the fencing like there?

Ta.

Neo
-16th May 2004, 23:05
Come to Uni of London - much better fencing :grin:

Mantis
-17th May 2004, 07:49
Manchester! You know it's the right choice!!! :tongue:

Juicy
-17th May 2004, 09:01
If you're good at using self-tanning lotion, go to Northumbria...:grin:
Otherwise come to UCL! :)

Cheetara
-17th May 2004, 09:07
I bumped into some epeeists from Essex at the BUSA individuals last year so there is some there at least! They seemed friendly enough.

bufc99
-17th May 2004, 12:28
No, no , no. You should come to Birmingham. I could be wrong but if I remmebr rightly and I don't always, you like english/classics??? If so then I know people diong englishy type courses and they all really like it. plus we're a campus university, and fro being an entire 2-ish, if that, miles from the middle of the city, there's a lot of trees around and a lake up on the vale. etc.

Finally.

Come to birmingham!!!:grin:

Aer
-17th May 2004, 14:57
Originally posted by bufc99


Come to birmingham!!!:grin:

birmingham, home of the fencing club captain who stabbed me through! my glove (ok, ok, my prime parry was bad - ok). Was ok tho - i got the hit.

his blade went through my hand but there was no light!

Scotlands the place to be for uni!

Neo
-17th May 2004, 22:24
Originally posted by bufc99
No, no , no. You should come to Birmingham. I could be wrong but if I remmebr rightly and I don't always, you like english/classics??? If so then I know people diong englishy type courses and they all really like it. plus we're a campus university, and fro being an entire 2-ish, if that, miles from the middle of the city, there's a lot of trees around and a lake up on the vale. etc.

Finally.

Come to birmingham!!!:grin:

ya, but Birmingham's still a s***hole :grin:

bufc99
-18th May 2004, 12:05
Originally posted by Aer
birmingham, home of the fencing club captain who stabbed me through! my glove

Was that at the BUSA Individuals this year??? Unfortuantly I couldn't make it as I was in Wales running a White Water Race on the Dee for BUSA. THe shot is wither a total fluke or Tom has extremely good aim. I'm opting for the first one here.


Originally posted by Neo Birmingham's still a s***hole

No, Selly Oak is a bit of a s***hole, depending on what road you're on, there are nicer roads adn for the first year, generally you'll be in halls which are all quite nice apart from Mason and Maple Bank. I was at Maple Bank and I survived.

randomsabreur
-18th May 2004, 12:46
Birmingham is not one of the best parts of the country to go for fencing, at least if you fence sabre. And when I was there, was best foilist and 2nd best epeeist for at least a year!!!!! And I am a sabreur.

The quality of the uni club is variable (like all Uni clubs) and given the joys of transport and walking around with a fencing bag, often alone as fencing is not the most common sport, I would not recommend it unless you have a car.

I spent 3 years there as an undergrad and my fencing only survived because I had a car. If you are serious about fencing, go to a London uni, or Bristol/ Bath area, or Newcastle/Durham! otherwise, Brum is OK.

sparkymark567
-18th May 2004, 16:41
Aoife

Well, I don't go to Essex Uni but I do I go to Colchester Fencing club from time to time. I started fencing there 12 years ago. The coaches are very good. Lyndon coahces at the university (all three weapons) and he is very good.

The standard of fencing is mediumish and varies from year to year, as it does at any Uni club. It's very well organised and they have god socials etc. look at my webpage: www.colchesterfencing.net, and also the Uni's own website, link on my website.

For the best fencing,you have to go to London. That does however depend on your current standard. e.g. if you've been fencing for more than 5 years at 3+ times a week then London would be of great benifit; otherwise you'll be fine at Essex/Colchester.

Hope that helps.

Hudson
-18th May 2004, 19:23
don't go to uni, join the air force and earn lots of money.

(we need more women fencers)

Aoife
-18th May 2004, 19:59
For the best fencing,you have to go to London. That does however depend on your current standard. e.g. if you've been fencing for more than 5 years at 3+ times a week then London would be of great benifit; otherwise you'll be fine at Essex/Colchester.


Considering one of my main requirements is to not go to anywhere in London (think of the cost of living in London as a student!) I don't mind that much. (That and by the time I go to Uni I'll have been fencing for 3/4 years twice a week depending whether I take a gap year or not)


Birmingham is not one of the best parts of the country to go for fencing

I live in THANET at the moment. Most places will be better! :grin:



Bristol/ Bath

Bristol scares in me its goodness (yet I'm not at all hesitant in my Cambridge application... how weird) and Bath is useless for my subject.

I think I've got it down to...

Essex
York
Brighton
Hertfordshire
Oxford Brookes
Cambridge
Sussex
Glasgow.


Anyone know what they're like?


I'm currently most interested in Essex due to the nature of their course, and after talking to a sporty-type person at an open day, the possibility of a bursary.

Where else does busaries out of that list?

uk_45
-18th May 2004, 21:44
There fighting for you aoife.

Come to chester come to chester if you want to teach its the best you could do! (if you dont want to teach come anyway)

Rdb811
-18th May 2004, 22:33
Originally posted by Aoife


Essex
York
Brighton
Hertfordshire
Oxford Brookes
Cambridge
Sussex
Glasgow.



Oxford Brookes will always be the Poly to me - I think it's one of the better ex-polys - don't know if you could fence at the University club, though, which is very good.

I don't think Hertfordshire (Hatfield Poly ?) and Brighton are anything to write home about, although I'm happy to be corrected. Sussex has a nice campus and the coaching is good (Angela Goodall) and has a decent reputation as a Uni, along with York. Cambridge (hissss) and then Glasgow are much the better Uni's, though.

(I hope I haven't put anyone's noses out of joint with that).

Boo Boo
-18th May 2004, 23:04
Originally posted by Rdb811
Oxford Brookes will always be the Poly to me - I think it's one of the better ex-polys - don't know if you could fence at the University club, though, which is very good.


Oxford Uni used to allow Oxford Brookes fencers to fence at the university club by invitation - many years ago... - don't know if they still do...

Cambridge would be the best choice. Most/all of the universities have fencing clubs that would be fine/fun.

Check into the requirements of any bursary - some universities will have more stringent requirements than others (for instance Northumbria are very generous, but they are also very selective).

Boo

fitch
-18th May 2004, 23:55
Originally posted by Aoife
Glasgow.

decision made! it's in scotland, so it's bound to be ace.

randomsabreur
-19th May 2004, 08:09
Oxford Uni has let Brookes fencers fence with them this year, also Brookes had at least 1 person in the Busa Individuals! If you are fencing with Oxford Uni, you will probably also have a source of lifts to comps as they do most of the majors.

Oxford Uni don't hate Brookes, too much energy is spent hating the Tabs (Cambridge) to have any left to dislike anyone else.

The one big issue with Oxford is the prices in the town. Richer Oxford Colleges can subsidise rooms but living out (as you would have to for at least part of your time at brookes) is painfully expensive. I'm in a fairly cheap house, and it costs me 285 per months. And the Loan doesn't get London extras (although most law firms sponsoring people on the course I'm on give people as much grant to live in Oxford as they do for London

NLSC Sabreur
-19th May 2004, 09:03
Originally posted by Rdb811

I don't think Hertfordshire (Hatfield Poly ?) and Brighton are anything to write home about

I live in Hertfordshire and can tell you that the "Bunnies" as Hertfordshire uni fencing club call themselves are awful with a coach who is clueless. The previous coach they had was XXXXX XXXX who was not bad at coaching but due to events at another club that are not talked about (covered up?) is definately not still there. The people are nice just not good fencers.

BUT Hatfield is only 5 miles north of Potters Bar where North London Sabre Club is! So you can fence with a good weapon at a good club!:party:

Marcos
-19th May 2004, 11:04
or forget them all and go to college in Dublin or (where they have an excellent fencing club) Queens Uni Belfast...

Marky Irish
-19th May 2004, 11:29
Originally posted by Boo Boo
Cambridge would be the best choice. Most/all of the universities have fencing clubs that would be fine/fun.

Cambridge Men have been BUSA Team Champions for the last 4 years. The Women won BUSA Team in 2002 and 2003. The University coach is Marek Stepien from Haverstock FC who takes both group and individual training.

Cambridge Men have won the Varsity Match for the Past 6 years. The Women have won for the last 2 years.

There is a annual trip away in December for an a Training Camp which is good fun. This year it was in Milan.

You get guaranteed accomodation in your college for 3 years - so you only pay for it when you at Cambridge.

There are sports grants avaliable from your college and from the PE department.

Its a beautiful city and there is a thriving University Fencing Club. You can also train at the very good local Cambridge Town Club.

colliebeast
-19th May 2004, 11:42
Originally posted by Aoife


I think I've got it down to...

Essex
York
Brighton
Hertfordshire
Oxford Brookes
Cambridge
Sussex
Glasgow.


Where else does busaries out of that list?

really if you want to fence to a high standard you have to include Durham (if it has the couse you want!)

Its one of the few universities where fencing is a "target sport" meaning it has excatly the same status as the traditional "main" sports eg football, rugby etc.

It also has 2 perminant metalic pistes and 2 more non-perminant ones.

Also Durham has one of the top coaches in the country Laszlo Jakab (he's coached olympic medalists, you know!)

Durham also holds the regional centre of excellence and there are good relations with the other local clubs. Meaning you could fence practically every night of the week! (you'd have to b mental but you could!)

Busaries are available

and theres great team spirit!

Boo Boo
-19th May 2004, 12:53
Originally posted by Marky Irish
Cambridge Men have been BUSA Team Champions for the last 4 years. The Women won BUSA Team in 2002 and 2003. The University coach is Marek Stepien from Haverstock FC who takes both group and individual training.

Cambridge Men have won the Varsity Match for the Past 6 years. The Women have won for the last 2 years.

There is a annual trip away in December for an a Training Camp which is good fun. This year it was in Milan.

You get guaranteed accomodation in your college for 3 years - so you only pay for it when you at Cambridge.

There are sports grants avaliable from your college and from the PE department.

Its a beautiful city and there is a thriving University Fencing Club. You can also train at the very good local Cambridge Town Club.

HHhhhhmmm, almost tempting enough to go back to University and get another degree.... :)

Boo

Sparks
-19th May 2004, 14:03
Nah, it's gotta be glasgow. We've got a decent uni club (we're not great, but we're OK), and there's a new high level training night starting up, run by some pretty decent coaches, looking to train up some commonwealth level fencers.

Other than that, glasgow nightlife rocks.


Oh, and the uni's not bad either (if you actually want to do any of that silly studying thing)

Mantis
-19th May 2004, 14:26
Hey, Aoife, did you expect to be so in demand when you first asked about where to go to university. :tongue:

York, which is the only one on your list that I have had any experience with, has a fairly healthy and friendly club and the teams are in the stronger half of the lower division. However, as with a lot of university clubs, the strength can change a lot depending on who happens to be there at the time, and this is probably why so many people are so keen to attract you.

And with regards being away from London, York is the furthest away whilst still staying this side of the border. :grin:

Sparks
-19th May 2004, 14:34
Actually, york are quite freindly.

Aoife
-19th May 2004, 20:31
Sussex has a nice campus and the coaching is good (Angela Goodall)

That'd be cool, as I've already had lessons with her at the Bromley workshops.


Check into the requirements of any bursary - some universities will have more stringent requirements than others (for instance Northumbria are very generous, but they are also very selective).

I've noticed. Having discussed my present form with the sporty-person (they had a sports-department respresetative at an University fair I went to) from Essex, they say I'd stand an okay chance at getting somthing, maybe not the full amount, but a bit. (Hey, a bit would be good! :) )




Come to chester come to chester if you want to teach its the best you could do! (if you dont want to teach come anyway)

I do want to teach, but I want to do an English Language (or Language and linguistics) degree, and I Chester isn't somewhere which pops up when I look the course up. Might think about it for a PGCE though (I was also thinking about Christ Church College for a PGCE, but I don't think they do fencing).


The one big issue with Oxford is the prices in the town.

Yes, it's my thoughts on Brookes and Cambridge that they'll bost have very high costs of living.



the "Bunnies" as Hertfordshire uni fencing club call themselves are awful with a coach who is clueless.

I'll bear that in mind. (The Sabre connection won't help much as I;ve never touched anything but a foil)



or forget them all and go to college in Dublin or (where they have an excellent fencing club) Queens Uni Belfast...

Hmmmmn. Dublin eh? I can fence for Ireland anyway, as I've got dual nationality.



Durham (if it has the couse you want!)

Don't think they do.



almost tempting enough to go back to University and get another degree.

If I won the lottery, that's all I'd do. Different degrees for the rest of my life! (not likely, as I don't play the lottery :) )



Nah, it's gotta be glasgow.

But cold... oh so very cold! (I live in basky-hot Kent where we can't use water in the summer, I die in long periods of cold! :) )



However, as with a lot of university clubs, the strength can change a lot depending on who happens to be there at the time, and this is probably why so many people are so keen to attract you.

I figured :grin: Fingers crossed I'll get some points by the time I go to Uni (depends what happens with my club, I'm not sure where things stand at the moment).

Ta so far! Great help!

Sparks
-20th May 2004, 11:33
It's not cold up here, it's bracing :lovit:

UglyBug
-20th May 2004, 13:33
Originally posted by Rdb811


I don't think Hertfordshire (Hatfield Poly ?) and Brighton are anything to write home about, although I'm happy to be corrected.

As with many former poly places, Hertfordshire is very good at what it specialised in when it was a poly - teaching and nursing I know are good there

Cheetara
-20th May 2004, 14:24
I've heard engineering's ok there too.

btw Lancaster are completely desperate for female fencers next year. We have one girly who is up for doing matches. One who really doesn't want to be bothered (me) and that's it. Also in the consitution with the AU we have to put a team into BUSA.

Does anyone know anyone at all who is going to Lancaster next year and might possibly fence. We have plenty of male fencers just no girls.

Juicy
-20th May 2004, 14:32
Cambridge team kick ass, I know they train quite hard - and they're really friendly, too :)

Neo
-20th May 2004, 14:35
Originally posted by Aoife
I think I've got it down to...

Essex
York
Brighton
Hertfordshire
Oxford Brookes
Cambridge
Sussex
Glasgow.

Cambridge or Glasgow - the best uni in Scotland or the best uni in England, take your pick ;) (waits for the flamefest to begin)

Don't know what the fencing is like at Glasgow Uni itself tho... (oh and join the GU)

bah! London's not expensive (anyways. that's what daddies are for... I wonder if mine remembered to water the money tree :S )

chortler
-20th May 2004, 14:35
Funny, In my day, it was the availability of cheap beer that decided which uni to go to...

Neo
-20th May 2004, 14:39
Originally posted by chortler
Funny, In my day, it was the availability of cheap beer that decided which uni to go to...

If that's the criteria, Glasgow's definitely the place to go... If you want to give someone a heart attack, try mentioning my name around the computer folks tho (loooooong story...)

Neo
-20th May 2004, 14:46
Originally posted by randomsabreur
(although most law firms sponsoring people on the course I'm on give people as much grant to live in Oxford as they do for London

would that be the LPC? :P

Mantis
-20th May 2004, 15:12
Originally posted by Cheetara
I've heard engineering's ok there too.

btw Lancaster are completely desperate for female fencers next year. We have one girly who is up for doing matches. One who really doesn't want to be bothered (me) and that's it. Also in the consitution with the AU we have to put a team into BUSA.

Does anyone know anyone at all who is going to Lancaster next year and might possibly fence. We have plenty of male fencers just no girls.

I've already told you, you need to get some of the blokes who have long hair!

:cookie: :silly: :chief: :joker: :hairfire: :blueraja: :hairfire2 :jam: :sumo:

Leonardofury
-22nd May 2004, 18:16
Tell Kep to grow his hair. No one will notice:) .

Cheetara
-24th May 2004, 09:44
He just looks young, not quite the same thing as female!

The only one of ours with long hair cut it off a while ago.

Leonardofury
-24th May 2004, 16:51
I'm just suprisied he hasn't flamed me for that one yet. Mind he got a dress for drag and slag....

Kepster
-25th May 2004, 17:54
Hmm, I don't read this for a few days & I find a discussion about me....

There will be words....

Leonardofury
-25th May 2004, 19:56
I wouldn't expect anything less;)

Sarah
-26th May 2004, 11:54
I go to Hertfordshire and the clubs really excellent with an excellent coach who has managed to train us all up in a short period of time to become reasonable fencers!! Check out our webpage www.thebunnies.co.uk - although please ignore some of the content especially the pictures arghhh!!! :)

NLSC Sabreur
-26th May 2004, 15:10
Originally posted by Sarah
I go to Hertfordshire and the clubs really excellent with an excellent coach who has managed to train us all up in a short period of time to become reasonable fencers!! Check out our webpage www.thebunnies.co.uk - although please ignore some of the content especially the pictures arghhh!!! :)

Sorry Sarah but you are simply wrong. Possibly you have been confused by the generally crap standard of fencing in the whole county. To be any good you must be fencing at least at Open level and there is no sign that any Hertfordshire fencers are. At the county champs I fenced in the epee (just about the only epee I ever do). After my weapons broke down in the pool I fenced with a right handed epee in my left hand and defeated one of the Herts fencers 15-1 (and he was lucky to get one). Its not that I am talented but he had no worthwhile footwork or bladework whatsoever. Terry (uni coach) told me that he had been fencing 6 months. I've seen better after 2 weeks.

Unless the uni club has aquired a new coach in the last couple of month your coach really is very poor.

This may all sound harsh but its simply true.

Neo
-26th May 2004, 20:35
Originally posted by Sarah
I go to Hertfordshire and the clubs really excellent with an excellent coach who has managed to train us all up in a short period of time to become reasonable fencers!! Check out our webpage www.thebunnies.co.uk - although please ignore some of the content especially the pictures arghhh!!! :)

Interesting quote there...

Recent News written by Paul Cramphorn on 2004-05-25

News just in Sarah doesnt do head "I dont do head, It hurts too much" quoted from tonight :)

:rolleyes:

Sarah
-27th May 2004, 14:02
We've only practised foil though and i remember just one practice session on epee - so in that respect - i think you're either referring to john or dan, i think they had done quite well considering that they had only done 2 hours of practice with the weapon. I think you're being deeply unfair to call our coach 'crap'!! Also how quickly you learn to fence tends to depend on the person and how quickly techniques are picked up. I myself, after never having no experience myself before the start of the year and doing quite well and have often beaten fellow fencers with more experience than me. Other students at our uni have also done the same. Our uni also has just won the county's league for team foil.
In response to what was written on the website!! Apparently that was one of the guys from the club playing a prank on me (Paul C didn't write it!!!). You can see my response on the forum part.
Sorry for the moan - one of those days!! :)

Australian
-27th May 2004, 15:27
Originally posted by NLSC Sabreur
Sorry Sarah but you are simply wrong. Possibly you have been confused by the generally crap standard of fencing in the whole county. To be any good you must be fencing at least at Open level and there is no sign that any Hertfordshire fencers are. At the county champs I fenced in the epee (just about the only epee I ever do). After my weapons broke down in the pool I fenced with a right handed epee in my left hand and defeated one of the Herts fencers 15-1 (and he was lucky to get one). Its not that I am talented but he had no worthwhile footwork or bladework whatsoever. Terry (uni coach) told me that he had been fencing 6 months. I've seen better after 2 weeks.

Unless the uni club has aquired a new coach in the last couple of month your coach really is very poor.

This may all sound harsh but its simply true.

chill mate...

you were a beginner once too

Neo
-30th May 2004, 20:14
Aoife,
if you're interested in universities offering bursaries etc, you may want to look here...

http://www.busa.org.uk/Media/downloads/70_15200403011916_11.doc

jasonf
-31st May 2004, 11:47
Originally posted by Sarah
Our uni also has just won the county's league for team foil.



Actually, you mean the county novice league - St Albans won the team foil this year, and the individual novice competitions.

Emma T
-3rd June 2004, 15:22
I just thought that if you're trying to decide on a uni, then come to Exeter. Its a great uni, lovely grounds, amazing fencing club with a good coach and the courses are all really good. Plus, sympathising with you on the whole London/Kent front
it is sooo much nicer and yet still has all the typical city facilities.

If you want to know more go to:

http://www.exeterfencing.co.uk

And see what we're all like!

Emma T
-3rd June 2004, 15:23
Oh yes, nearly forgot!

Good Luck, wherever you go! The most important thing is to pick a uni where you feel that you can be happy living for the next 3 or 4 years.

Canis
-3rd June 2004, 16:07
Aoife

Im a few years out of the loop (graduated 1997) but sussex was good for fencing and on a good year we would have a reasonable team but it varied -a girl with 3 years fencing generally would have found herself on the ladies team(and possibly its captain).
Good town to be a student in too. :cheers2: :cheers2: :party:

when i was there brighton uni/poly didn't have a club but a couple of brighton students came to our club.

whats wrong with Thanet ? my mate has a bar there and its quite nice !(admitedly thats broadstairs not margate!)

Shaolin Monkey
-5th June 2004, 15:59
newcastles women's team earned promotion to the northen premier division this year, we're worth a look

Aoife
-13th June 2004, 21:22
Thanks all.

And thanks for that list Neo!



my mate has a bar there and its quite nice !(admitedly thats broadstairs not margate!)

Exactly! Broastairs is quite a nice, quaint little place (unless you happen to be uproad from the library past nightfall, wherein you enter chav territory)

Eddie
-14th June 2004, 12:17
We fought Essex in the BUSA league and epee was probably their strongest weapon. They were definitely the best sports of the whole comp and the nicest people to fence.
Sussex uni were pretty good too they had Laurence Halstead. Their foil was obviously strong and they had a couple of good epeeists, they were also a decent bunch of lads. Don't know what the womens teeams were like from these uni's but you coudl always look on the uni websites and try and email their fencing clubs.

HeBeGeBe
-14th June 2004, 16:24
No, come to Cardiff. We're rubbish and we need you.

http://www.cardiffstudents.com/main/au/fencing

gbm
-14th June 2004, 16:54
Indeed!

Neo
-14th June 2004, 18:47
Originally posted by HeBeGeBe
No, come to Cardiff. We're rubbish and we need you.

http://www.cardiffstudents.com/main/au/fencing

and they have a terrible prediliction towards wooly sheep

gbm
-14th June 2004, 21:46
Yes, but it's 15 a year for 3 nights a week, including one with the national coach of Wales.
And we are more of a 'dragon' club than a 'sheep' club.

Leonardofury
-14th June 2004, 22:31
Admiting to either isn't really good.;)

Captain Max
-15th June 2004, 10:11
Well, Cardiff Uni did have one good fencer :tongue:

It's now alot better than it was. This year we had over 100 members, a good coach and lots of new kit. It's a very friendly club (not just to sheep) and runs socials all the time.

This year we won the Welsh Student Champs, and sent fencers to competitions like the Welsh open and LIUF.

uk_45
-15th June 2004, 16:52
We've just had our regional visit from peter stewart, was intresting

doobarz
-15th June 2004, 17:03
Originally posted by Juicy
If you're good at using self-tanning lotion, go to Northumbria...:grin:
Otherwise come to UCL! :)

I never used self tanning lotion....