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Mini
-14th June 2016, 13:42
Selection is up on the BF website (http://britishfencing.com/news/latest-news/?n=1576)

Men's Foil Individual and Team

James-Andrew Davis

Laurence Halsted

Richard Kruse

Marcus Mepstead

Men's Sabre Individual

William Deary

James Honeybone

Curtis Miller

Jonathan Webb

Men's Sabre Team

William Deary

Curtis Miller

Kirk Slankard

Jonathan Webb

Speaking about the selections, British Fencingís Performance Director, Alex Newton said; ďFor the Menís Foil team, the Europeans is the final preparation competition before the Games in Rio and therefore we will be maximising this opportunity particularly in the Team event. For menís sabre this is another step on the journey towards developing a strong team with a real focus now turning to Tokyo in four years time.Ē

hokers
-14th June 2016, 13:44
http://britishfencing.com/news/latest-news/?n=1576

British Fencing today announced the athletes selected to represent Great Britain at the Senior European Fencing Championships to be held in Torun, Poland 20th - 25th June 2016.



The following athletes have been selected:
Men's Foil Individual and Team
James-Andrew Davis
Laurence Halsted
Richard Kruse
Marcus Mepstead

Men's Sabre Individual
William Deary
James Honeybone
Curtis Miller
Jonathan Webb

Men's Sabre Team
William Deary
Curtis Miller
Kirk Slankard
Jonathan Webb

Speaking about the selections, British Fencingís Performance Director, Alex Newton said; ďFor the Menís Foil team, the Europeans is the final preparation competition before the Games in Rio and therefore we will be maximising this opportunity particularly in the Team event. For menís sabre this is another step on the journey towards developing a strong team with a real focus now turning to Tokyo in four years time.Ē

Can anyone explain why James has been replaced by Kirk for the MST?

Mini
-14th June 2016, 13:59
Maybe they don't think James will be on the team in Tokyo. Although, if this is the case I don't understand why since James is only two years older than Kirk and one year older than Curtis.

hokers
-14th June 2016, 14:05
Let's hope that's not the reason. Maybe James didn't want to do the team event?
Kirk is ranked 177 places below James by the FIE.

Discretionary team selection has already cost us the retirement of one of our best fencers this season, let's hope it doesn't cost us two.

Discretionary Selection Bad.

Mini
-14th June 2016, 14:10
For menís sabre this is another step on the journey towards developing a strong team with a real focus now turning to Tokyo in four years time.

I think the wording of that sentence implies that the team they have selected is the team they are developing for Tokyo.

Marvin
-14th June 2016, 14:19
Please excuse my ignorance, but just wondering why there isn't an epee team?

hokers
-14th June 2016, 14:56
No-one qualified in the individual event for any weapon other than MF
Rules are here:
http://www.britishfencing.com/uploads/files/senior_selection_policy_2015_2016_final.pdf

Notably, only two results better than L64 1xL16 (James Honeybone) and 1xL32 (Mary Cohen - Women's Epee) were achieved outside MF this season. Individual qualification was set at 45 points from the first 7 WC/GPs.
James got only 1xL64 aside from that, giving him 35 points total.
Mary got no other L64 or greater results, giving her 15 total.
Hence no individuals qualified.

Team selection was on the ranking on April 31st this year - MST are currently 13th, but I didn't check on 31st April and history is not shown. Maybe they were sent anyway because they are funded?

ChrisHeaps
-14th June 2016, 15:19
I know this has probably been done to death in the past but shouldn't we let a couple of individuals go from each weapon anyway?

The ones that aren't making it are the ones who aren't funded to live the lives of professional athletes. However they are still working very hard with whatever resources they have available to get to the top of the rankings as well as balancing that with a life outside the sport.

If we take away the carrot of participation in top comps won't they naturally be inclined to quit or to scale down their training which then has a knock on effect on the others further down the rankings who need the competition of the top people to raise their own game and so on.

hokers
-14th June 2016, 15:38
I know this has probably been done to death in the past but shouldn't we let a couple of individuals go from each weapon anyway?


But how would you choose them?
If you leave it to discretion, some people will always be upset and point to their results, or complain that others get selected because they are funded (which in turn is because they are prepared to live in London, or train full time).

If you set a standard and fencers fail to achieve it, there's no argument about it.
If you specify the team places on ranking there is nothing to argue about.

Discretion should only ever be used when a fencer has been unable to compete due to injury etc. should be used very rarely, otherwise it's nothing but trouble.

JohnL
-14th June 2016, 15:47
Alex Crutchett is missing from both Ind. and team?

Keith.A.Smith
-14th June 2016, 21:41
Interesting that only MF and MS selected at all.


Good luck to those who have been selected.

Double Riposte
-15th June 2016, 02:10
Alex Crutchett is missing from both Ind. and team?

Has retired, I believe.

Let's hope James doesn't go the same way.

Gav
-15th June 2016, 15:05
Ah there we go. As someone else pointed out we only need one thread!

hokers
-20th June 2016, 09:58
MF First wave results:

JD:VV1V14 0
LH VVV4V +8 (4 was Cheremesinov)
MM: V433VV +1
RK: VV4VV2 +7

http://www.efc2016.eu/results.html

hokers
-20th June 2016, 10:26
JD:VV1V14 0 36th vs Cadot (FRA)
LH VVV4V +8 11th bye
MM: V433VV +1 34th vs Kundera (CZE)
RK: VV4VV2 +7 22nd vs Janda (POL)

hokers
-20th June 2016, 11:11
JD:VV1V14 0 36th vs Cadot (FRA) loses 14-15
LH VVV4V +8 11th bye then vs Lahunou (BLR) for L16
MM: V433VV +1 34th vs Kundera (CZE) loses 10-15
RK: VV4VV2 +7 22nd vs Janda (POL) wins 15-7, has Cheremesinov (RUS) for L16

rake
-20th June 2016, 11:23
Anyone else having trouble with the live stream?

JohnL
-20th June 2016, 12:03
Anyone else having trouble with the live stream?

Do you have a link for the live stream

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-20th June 2016, 12:06
Do you have a link for the live stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzyNz_esU4

Kruse on Blue now

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-20th June 2016, 12:15
8-1 at the first break!

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-20th June 2016, 12:26
13-8 2nd break

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-20th June 2016, 12:35
15-12 into L16

JohnL
-20th June 2016, 12:46
LH into the L16 as well with a 15-12 win

Well done to both and hope they go further.

hokers
-20th June 2016, 13:03
LH VVV4V +8 11th bye then vs Lahunou (BLR) for L16 wins 15-12 has Minuto (TUR) for L8
RK: VV4VV2 +7 22nd vs Janda (POL) wins 15-7, has Cheremesinov (RUS) for L16 wins 15-12 has Sanita (GER) for L8

JohnL
-20th June 2016, 13:08
Iíll admit I thought LH had it in the bag at 10-6. He was fencing well and looked like he was coasting.
Ended up winning 15-13. A lot closer than I thought it would be.
Into the L8. Well done!!!!

JohnL
-20th June 2016, 13:23
Sanita exploded off the blocks and did a complete demolition of RK. Was up 10-0 before Richard scored his first hit.
Richard ended up losing 15-6
Canít give anyone that much of a start.

hokers
-20th June 2016, 13:23
But Richard is out 6-15 to the German Sanita.
Just not firing at all from the start, was 10-0 down.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-20th June 2016, 13:23
Kruse out 15-6 in one period.

Shouldn't be losing like that to Sanita.

JohnL
-20th June 2016, 14:08
LH out 15-8 to Avola

Didn't fence badly but Avola always appeared a step ahead.

Well done to LH. I'm sure he'll be disappointed, but a L8 result isn't too shabby!!!!

Keith.A.Smith
-20th June 2016, 21:13
Well done to Laurence.

I remember back in 2009 when Richard and he took Silver and Bronze in the individual.

Hope the team event goes well and then Rio next.

JohnL
-22nd June 2016, 13:48
JW eliminated in the poules with 2 wins

The others all went through with 3 wins each

Best of luck in the DE's guys!!!

hokers
-22nd June 2016, 14:10
MS Poules
James V42V4V +6 31st vs Yildirim (TUR) for L32
Curtis 1V2VV4 +1 36th vs Van Holsbeke (BEL) for L32
Will V3VV10 -6 43rd vs Teodosiu (ROU) for L32
JJ 20VV02 -12 55th cut

coach carson
-22nd June 2016, 14:34
Miller into L32. Good job!

hokers
-22nd June 2016, 14:46
James V42V4V +6 31st vs Yildirim (TUR) for L32 loses 5-15
Curtis 1V2VV4 +1 36th vs Van Holsbeke (BEL) for L32 wins 15-13, faces Szilagy (HUN) for L16
Will V3VV10 -6 43rd vs Teodosiu (ROU) for L32 loses 10-15

Great result for Curtis and a huge opportunity against the Olympic champion next.

hokers
-22nd June 2016, 15:56
Great match, Curtis out 13-15.

Terrible decision to finish it (IMO) but he showed great skill and variety, attacking and defending.

coach carson
-23rd June 2016, 09:54
Great match, Curtis out 13-15.

Terrible decision to finish it (IMO) but he showed great skill and variety, attacking and defending.

What happened on the last hit? Youtube video cuts out and doesn't show it.

hokers
-23rd June 2016, 10:33
What happened on the last hit? Youtube video cuts out and doesn't show it.

Curtis attack no, Aron pushes down the piste attack no. Curtis pushes patiently back and Aron counter attacks about two steps from his back line, Curtis hits to arm/head. There's blade contact, but it's a single action, certainly not a beat or prise-de-fer. More like he counters through the blade. Both lights on. Very hard to understand why the referee has given it, unless he thought Curtis went into guard. Reviewed it, astonishment from coach and fencer, decision upheld.

hokers
-23rd June 2016, 10:44
Meanwhile in MFT

GBR beat Sweden 45-17 for L8 and face Germany next for the medal places.
http://www.mask-sport.com/2016/2016-06-20-25/FTEvent917510.htm

Should be on Yellow here in a few mins. Click the suitcase icon to get the additional camera feeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78E9X5DmI4A

hokers
-23rd June 2016, 11:14
Richard beats Sanita 5-1 to make it 30-18, all fencing well at the moment.

cesh_fencing
-23rd June 2016, 11:33
Meanwhile in MFT

GBR beat Sweden 45-17 for L8 and face Germany next for the medal places.
http://www.mask-sport.com/2016/2016-06-20-25/FTEvent917510.htm

Should be on Yellow here in a few mins. Click the suitcase icon to get the additional camera feeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78E9X5DmI4A

GBR win to make semi.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-23rd June 2016, 13:07
But getting a bit of a lesson from the Italians now!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78E9X5DmI4A

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-23rd June 2016, 13:15
Getting a pasting!

coach carson
-23rd June 2016, 13:28
Clearly trying to make Italy over-confident in the run up to Rio?

Foilling Around
-23rd June 2016, 15:28
Huh, 3 different teams.

Functional and efficient against a rebuilding German team.

Blown away against a dominant and aggressive Italy

Excellent movement and finishing against a strangely hesitant France.

Real congratulations on the Bronze medal. So we now have bronze at senior and junior men's foil.

Marcus' footwork; cadence, balance and change of direction was exceptional! Any young foillist needs to watch that to see what can be done with extremely hard work on fitness and training.

hokers
-23rd June 2016, 15:33
Great fencing for the bronze medal.

Not sure what happened against Italy, but they looked like the Real Deal against France.
When they're up for it, they can each be pretty unstoppable, but sometimes they just can't put it all together.

"If you look up stop-hit in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of Richard Kruse."

Rudd
-23rd June 2016, 15:42
"if you look up stop-hit in the dictionary, you'll see a picture of richard kruse." qft.

JackSparrow
-23rd June 2016, 15:42
Functional and efficient against a rebuilding German team.

Sadly, Kliebrink wasn't in the German team for this reason ... which is dreadful:

http://www.fencing.net/15704/kliebrink-injured-attack-shanghai/

Congratulations on a brilliant team medal! (Wouldn't bet against the Italians in the team event at Rio)

JohnL
-23rd June 2016, 19:22
Well done guys!!

Great match against the French for the Bronze!!!

Foilling Around
-23rd June 2016, 20:06
Sadly, Kliebrink wasn't in the German team for this reason ... which is dreadful:

http://www.fencing.net/15704/kliebrink-injured-attack-shanghai/

Congratulations on a brilliant team medal! (Wouldn't bet against the Italians in the team event at Rio)

Kleibrink is 31 and I don't know why Joppich was not in the team and certainly Kahl and Sanita are much younger. Even Braun is only 27. I was thinking that, with no team foil in Tokyo, and Olympic qualification for Rio gone, they are focusing on the next generation?

Double Riposte
-25th June 2016, 16:30
Shout out to the MST today. Beat Spain to get into the top 8 before losing to Russia and then losing their placing matches. However, they put in an excellent performance against France and came within a couple of points of pulling off a big shock there.

They finished higher than their seeding, and this was without the two highest ranked and most experienced members of the team. Three of the team are barely out of juniors!

hokers
-26th June 2016, 22:13
Shout out to the MST today. Beat Spain to get into the top 8 before losing to Russia and then losing their placing matches. However, they put in an excellent performance against France and came within a couple of points of pulling off a big shock there.

They finished higher than their seeding, and this was without the two highest ranked and most experienced members of the team. Three of the team are barely out of juniors!

I think we maybe need to celebrate this a bit more. This is the first senior L8 by a GBR MST that I can find on any records on FIE.org.

vs Spain:
Will +3
JJ +1
Curtis +1

vs Russia:
Will -3
Curtis -4
JJ -8 (2 fights)
Kirk -4 (1 fight)

But it's the France result, 42-45 vs Anstett, Rousset and Apithy (2, 8 and 16 in individual) that's the big one.
Will +7
JJ -4
Curtis -6

Big results against top fencers, I think they have to be pleased with that as a team performance.

Foilling Around
-28th June 2016, 10:32
I think we maybe need to celebrate this a bit more. This is the first senior L8 by a GBR MST that I can find on any records on FIE.org.
.....

Big results against top fencers, I think they have to be pleased with that as a team performance.

As such they will certainly have done their chances of further funding no harm at all. I watched Curtis' loss in the individuals and he was really fencing well, but the money men will not watch the videos, they will only see the numbers.

Winning a L16 at World Circuit level is going to be hard from 14th seed next year, but the first target is to win the first 9-16 match to finish 9-12 not 13-16. That pushes the ranking higher and gets easier L16 matches. Teams like Belarus and China regularly finish 9-12 with an occasional L8. Our boys currently are regular 13-16 with one L32.


That is the progression the foil lads made over the last few years and what sabre need to emulate. Big individual performances are fantastic, but a team can be more than the sum of its parts.