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Keith.A.Smith
-1st April 2017, 13:05
Is there a link so we can see how the GB fencers are getting on?

Good luck to all the GB fencers and let's hope for really good results.

Cristiano
-1st April 2017, 13:25
http://www.fencingtime.com/LiveResults/PlovdivJCWFCH/FTEvent360448.htm

hokers
-1st April 2017, 13:47
One level too low.
http://www.fencingtime.com/LiveResults/PlovdivJCWFCH/index.htm

CMS:
1xL32
1xL64
1xL96

Red
-2nd April 2017, 06:54
One level too low.
http://www.fencingtime.com/LiveResults/PlovdivJCWFCH/index.htm

CMS:
1xL32
1xL64
1xL96

Hokers, L96 is not a thing in any cadet or junior event.
The third fencer was eliminated after the poules. If you're going to post summaries of results, don't do it in a misleading way.

lyming
-2nd April 2017, 09:24
This is where you can see the videos of the semis to finals
https://youtu.be/Y71_f_-znPw

Keith.A.Smith
-3rd April 2017, 14:11
Good to see GB making a top 16 today with Ben Andrews in CME. Good luck for the top 16 fight.

Nick E
-3rd April 2017, 18:04
Great result for Mens Epee and British Fencing. Final placing of 15th for Ben.

In advance of the juniors arriving, our top JME fencer is still seeking funding for his trip if anyone can assist via his Just Giving page:

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/matt-cooper?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Yimbyprojectpage&utm_content=matt-cooper&utm_campaign=projectpage-share-owner&utm_term=djnkZvdYM

Cyranna's Father
-3rd April 2017, 21:09
can anyone explain any sense behind this mixed team thing, I am sure that PC nuts love it but what does it prove?

rake
-3rd April 2017, 23:04
can anyone explain any sense behind this mixed team thing, I am sure that PC nuts love it but what does it prove?

It's a composite national team of six, bringing together the best fencer in each weapon. Not sure what's particular PC or otherwise about it, I think it's a nice way to showcase the whole breadth of the sport when it's so easy for the weapons to operate in silos. The format is used in a very longstanding team event in Dublin (Trinity Cup) and it's always a nice way to mix things up!

Savin.A
-4th April 2017, 08:44
can anyone explain any sense behind this mixed team thing, I am sure that PC nuts love it but what does it prove?

It's a team event. It proves which federation has the strongest team on the day...

It's also a relatively recent addition as it is an easy way to add a short team event to the C&J World Championships. Prior to this there was no Cadet Team event. Instead of adding on three days, you can just add on one by doing a mixed team event. This prevents costs spiralling out of control, stops referees from getting excessively cranky (Worlds is a looong competition, don't try to add three days; the referees will commit mass murder), and gives the Cadets something a little different/extra. I like it.

Keith.A.Smith
-4th April 2017, 09:02
It is basically a fun event. The IOC have talked about mixed teams, if they were to reduce the number of medals for fencing.

Ronald Velden
-4th April 2017, 09:07
It's a team event. It proves which federation has the strongest team on the day...

It's also a relatively recent addition as it is an easy way to add a short team event to the C&J World Championships. Prior to this there was no Cadet Team event. Instead of adding on three days, you can just add on one by doing a mixed team event. This prevents costs spiralling out of control, stops referees from getting excessively cranky (Worlds is a looong competition, don't try to add three days; the referees will commit mass murder), and gives the Cadets something a little different/extra. I like it.

Mixed Team Formats albeit operating differently from that in Plovdov may well be introduced in the future at the
Olympics in preference to single weapon teams particularly if the IOC refuses to increase the number of team weapon categories from 4 to 6.

It is more likely that current sports will see their medal quotas reduced as new ones are added to Olympics.

Keith.A.Smith
-4th April 2017, 09:11
GB lost to Canada in the top 16 and so now fighting for 9-16 placings.

max
-4th April 2017, 09:34
can anyone explain any sense behind this mixed team thing, I am sure that PC nuts love it but what does it prove?

I'm sure that if you're struggling with IT solutions the organisers will be happy to send you paper versions of the rationale behind the mixed teams.

Gav
-4th April 2017, 09:59
can anyone explain any sense behind this mixed team thing, I am sure that PC nuts love it but what does it prove?

Can you put your Daily Mail comment in the relevant place? Ta.

JackSparrow
-4th April 2017, 10:57
I think we can say that the smart money is on Russia to win this mixed team comp. They've been totally dominant in Cadets this year. Mind you, team events sometimes produce strange results.

Gav
-4th April 2017, 11:01
I think we can say that the smart money is on Russia to win this mixed team comp. They've been totally dominant in Cadets this year. Mind you, team events sometimes produce strange results.

Yeah. I haven't had a chance to properly sit down and watch any of this yet but from what I've heard I think your assessment is correct.

I like teams because the dynamic is different. And as you say this can create some really strange outcomes.

danKew
-4th April 2017, 11:49
I think we can say that the smart money is on Russia to win this mixed team comp. They've been totally dominant in Cadets this year. Mind you, team events sometimes produce strange results.

Canada beating Italy for example!

Keith.A.Smith
-4th April 2017, 13:33
Russia win overall. Their Cadet results have been amazing.

Good luck to the GB Juniors starting tomorrow.

hokers
-5th April 2017, 10:42
JMS this morning.

Will 3VV4VV +9 40th vs Shum (HKG) wins 15-9 for L64 vs Lee (KOR) for L32
Bertie V1VV3V +5 53rd cs Rzazade (AZE) for L64 vs Zhang (CHN) for L32
James VVV1V3 +3 57th vs Sarkissyan (KAZ) wins 15-11 for L64 vs Ferjani (TUN) for L32
Josh VV2VV2 +2 58th vs Caranti (ITA) loses 10-15

Keith.A.Smith
-5th April 2017, 10:50
3 into the top 32 in JMS is a good start to the day. Well done. Good luck for the next fights.

Keith

Keith.A.Smith
-5th April 2017, 11:52
3 into the top 32 in JMS is a good start to the day. Well done. Good luck for the next fights.

Keith

I think I misread Hokers' post. Only Will Deary into the top 32. Good luck to him.

JohnL
-5th April 2017, 12:26
Great 15-14 win for Will in the L32 against the World #2.

Into the L16!

Keith.A.Smith
-5th April 2017, 12:29
Great news. Good luck for the top 16 fight.

pinkelephant
-5th April 2017, 12:32
Great 15-14 win for Will in the L32 against the World #2.

Into the L16!

It was a real nail-biter.

Ronald Velden
-5th April 2017, 12:41
Great 15-14 win for Will in the L32 against the World #2.

Into the L16!

Very good result from Will Deary, but I find it astonishing that the referee selected for this match was an Egyptian.
Surely the FIE could have picked someone from a continent other than Africa and Europe.

pinkelephant
-5th April 2017, 12:45
You don't take any notice of continent when allocating referees - only countries.

Ronald Velden
-5th April 2017, 12:55
You don't take any notice of continent when allocating referees - only countries.

I am advised that the Chief Referee Delegate at these World Championships is also from Egypt.

Frankly I would be concerned if you have a referee allocated simply on the basis of different countries. I would
be equally concerned if a British fencer opposed someone from Russia was refereed by a referee from one of the
former Soviet Union countries.

Hardly an act of neutrality.

Anyway he won so that is all that matters at this stage.

pinkelephant
-5th April 2017, 12:58
I am advised that the Chief Referee Delegate at these World Championships is also from Egypt.

Frankly I would be concerned if you have a referee allocated simply on the basis of different countries. I would
be equally concerned if a British fencer opposed someone from Russia was refereed by a referee from one of the
former Soviet Union countries.

Hardly an act of neutrality.

Anyway he won so that is all that matters at this stage.

Ronald, it has always been that way. Just look at the numbers of European fencers and non-European referees - it would never work. In any case, the software draws the referees - avoiding the same country. It's all in the rules.

hokers
-5th April 2017, 13:22
Will 3VV4VV +9 40th vs Shum (HKG) wins 15-9
for L64 vs Lee (KOR) for L32 wins 15-9
vs Ferjani (TUN) for L16 wins 15-14
vs Bravo (ESP) for L8

Bertie V1VV3V +5 53rd cs Rzazade (AZE) for L64 vs Zhang (CHN) for L32 loses 7-15

James VVV1V3 +3 57th vs Sarkissyan (KAZ) wins 15-11 for L64 vs Ferjani (TUN) for L32 loses 11-15

hokers
-5th April 2017, 13:30
Will next on blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKyCNVS6Qis

hokers
-5th April 2017, 13:49
Wins 15-13 for L8, will face Metryka (USA) for L4

pinkelephant
-5th April 2017, 13:49
Well done Will - into the L8!

JohnL
-5th April 2017, 13:50
Great win

Good luck for the L8 fight!!!!

hokers
-5th April 2017, 14:40
Out 11-15

Good fight, Metryka just pulled away a little bit after the break and he couldn't get back.

Great result today and a top-class prospect for a future senior career.

Keith.A.Smith
-5th April 2017, 18:13
Very good to see Will make a top 8 at the Junior World Championships. Well done to him.

JohnL
-5th April 2017, 19:12
Great result for Will

Ends up ranked in the top 10 in the world.

Well deserved. Proved again (as if it was needed) that he's a world class fencer.

hokers
-6th April 2017, 11:00
JWS today. So far:
Caiti VVVVV2 +11 19th bye to L64 vs Kurzyna (POL) for L32
Maria V1VV2V +2 40th bye to L64 vs Mukae (JPN) for L32
Maia 44VV1 +-0 63rd vs Valdez Andrade (Mex) for L64 loses 11-15
Jess VV120 -6 71st vs Sarybay (KAZ) for L64 wins 15-10 vs Guo (CHN) for L32

garymond
-6th April 2017, 11:07
What a fantastic achievement in the JMF from Kamal Minott - now into the last 16. He has just put out the number 3 seed from the USA. Go Kamal!

hokers
-6th April 2017, 11:21
I was just writing the same thing - he has Bianchi (ITA) next for L8, who is world #1 and European champion.

hokers
-6th April 2017, 12:15
Caiti VVVVV2 +11 19th bye to L64 vs Kurzyna (POL) for L32 wins 15-9 vs Escamilla (MEX) for L16
Maria V1VV2V +2 40th bye to L64 vs Mukae (JPN) for L32 wins 15-10 vs Toledo (MEX) for L16

Jess VV120 -6 71st vs Sarybay (KAZ) for L64 wins 15-10 vs Guo (CHN) for L32 loses 8-15

hokers
-6th April 2017, 12:28
Caiti is out, two successful reviews by her opponent at 12-12 and 13-13. Very hard to see why on the video feed, looks like attack on prep both times.

Keith.A.Smith
-6th April 2017, 12:34
Kamal Minott into top 16 in JMF. Good luck for the next fight.

hokers
-6th April 2017, 12:55
Maria V1VV2V +2 40th bye to L64 vs Mukae (JPN) for L32 wins 15-10 vs Toledo (MEX) for L16 loses 10-15

3 Mexicans in the last 16 - will be interesting to see how they do in the team event.

Foilling Around
-6th April 2017, 13:23
I love watching Kamal fence, he is always on the borderline between genius and self destruction. L16 is a good result.

danKew
-7th April 2017, 09:25
Good results happening in the JME ... tough L128 for Cooper against Flygare (D15-5). Sinclair & Jordan both into the L64. Strong showing in a field of 196.

Jacdaw
-7th April 2017, 10:39
Was great watching Cheung fencing in the JMF, anyone else watch him?

Rudd
-7th April 2017, 11:07
Was great watching Cheung fencing in the JMF, anyone else watch him?

It was a great bout as was his semi. He is ranked no. 7 in seniors and it shows.

hokers
-7th April 2017, 14:51
JMST today
GBR seed 11th vs Argentina for L16 win 45-33
vs Japan for L8 win 45-33 again
vs FIE for L4

Good luck guys

Keith.A.Smith
-7th April 2017, 14:54
Great news for our JMS team.

Keith.A.Smith
-7th April 2017, 14:58
I see our team have a team called FIE, which I presume is countries suspended by the IOC, such as Kuwait etc at present.

There are no times on the tableau for the matches. Are they today or is it tomorrow? There seem to be times for the 9 to 16 matches.

Good luck to our sabre boys.

Double Riposte
-7th April 2017, 15:24
I see our team have a team called FIE, which I presume is countries suspended by the IOC, such as Kuwait etc at present.


Yes, it's the Kuwaiti team.

Good luck guys!!

Double Riposte
-7th April 2017, 15:31
There are no times on the tableau for the matches. Are they today or is it tomorrow? There seem to be times for the 9 to 16 matches.

Good luck to our sabre boys.

I think it must be tomorrow. Either that or it must be a VERY late finish this evening!

pinkelephant
-7th April 2017, 18:11
It's tomorrow. All the team events seem to be running down to the L8, plus the placing from 9-16, on one day, with the L8 onwards on the next. It's not clear from the Fencing Time results page, but the schedule is on the competition website. http://fencingplovdiv.com/world/program/

hokers
-8th April 2017, 09:43
Men's L8 on now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t2_or5e5ao

hokers
-8th April 2017, 10:06
Wins 45-29 for L4!

Will fence Russia in the semi-final at 14:30 local time

hokers
-8th April 2017, 10:12
Meanwhile the GBR JWST
Seeded 14th vs Bulgaria for L16 win 45-32
vs Italy for L8 lose 28-45
vs Korea for 9-16 lose 40-45
vs Kazakhstan for 13-16 win 45-40
vs Romania later for 13/14th

Keith.A.Smith
-8th April 2017, 11:14
Wins 45-29 for L4!

Will fence Russia in the semi-final at 14:30 local time

Great news. Good luck for the semis and a medal today.

Keith.A.Smith
-8th April 2017, 12:38
Very close match with Russia. Now Germany for a bronze medal.

hokers
-8th April 2017, 13:02
Should take a moment to acknowledge just how close that was.
Will came on at 40-32 down and brought it back to 44-43 (5-11) vs Lokhanov, who is junior world #1 and junior world champion.

Good luck for the bronze match vs Germany which is on now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCyOavev9A
Currently 24-24

hokers
-8th April 2017, 13:20
Germany wins 45-41 - 4th place for the GBR team.

Great performances today though, really excellent.

hokers
-8th April 2017, 13:23
GBR JWST
Seeded 14th vs Bulgaria for L16 win 45-32
vs Italy for L8 lose 28-45
vs Korea for 9-16 lose 40-45
vs Kazakhstan for 13-16 win 45-40
vs Romania for 13th win 45-40

Double Riposte
-8th April 2017, 13:23
Unlucky guys, but a great great performance over the last couple of days to end up 4th. All fenced very well, but particularly Will who has shown yet again what an exciting future he could have in the sport.

Keith.A.Smith
-8th April 2017, 14:13
Great effort today by the JMS team.

hokers
-10th April 2017, 10:20
Catching up on some other team results.
Saturday

JMFT seeded 6th, bye to L32
vs Egypt for L16 won 45-28
vs Germany for L8 lost 27-45
vs Netherlands for 9-12 lost 26-45
vs Denmark for 13-14 lost 35-45
vs Korea for 15th lost 41-45 finish 16th

Sunday

JWFT seeded 9th bye to L16
vs Germany for L8 lost 19-45
vs Ukraine for 9-12 lost 29-44
vs Singapore for 13-14 lost 28-45
vs Chile for 15th lost 36-45 finish 16th

JMET seeded 16th bye to L32
vs Israel for L16 lost 37-45 to finish 22nd

hokers
-10th April 2017, 11:48
Video links for the JMST matches
L8 vs Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t2_or5e5ao Switch to Green camera - match starts 3:37

L4 vs Russia
Same link, switch to Yellow camera match starts at 2:20.31
Deary vs Lokhanov is the big one though, starts at 2:47.50

Bronze medal match vs Germany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCyOavev9A
Starts 4:22
Last bout starts 30:28