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hokers
-12th June 2018, 13:11
Schedule:
Saturday MF WS
Sunday ME WF
Monday WE MS
Tuesday MFT WST
Wednesday MET WFT
Thursday WET MST

Results:
https://www.eurofencingns2018.com/index.php/en/2015-10-27-07-35-27/live-results

Live Stream:
https://www.eurofencingns2018.com/index.php/en/2015-10-27-07-35-27/live-streaming

Looks like we have a full complement in each weapon as well as 6 teams entered. Good luck to all the fencers.

Vicomte_de_Bragelonne
-16th June 2018, 08:54
Tofalides and Kruse flying in the poules.

Seeded 1 and 2 for the DE

https://www.fencingtimelive.com/pools/results/F0DFEEE5BA064055AB5FD4D00E173CC9/A0E3F0D4E8034E669979F7F4CFFA7470?temp=1

hokers
-16th June 2018, 12:08
Updated link:
https://www.fencingtimelive.com/tournaments/eventSchedule/C352AD0E2E6444B2B6CCB7D0D61C6A5A

Richard VVVVVV +20 bye to L32 vs Janda (POL) for L16 wins 15-8 vs Avola (ITA) for L8 next
Marcus VVVV1V +11 vs Kahl (GER) for L32 loses 7-15
James 4VVVVV +16 vs Bodo (ROU) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Pogrebniak (UKR) for L16 loses 13-15
Ben 1V41V -2 vs Lefort (FRA) for L32 loses 4-15

Alex VVVVVV +22 bye to L32 vs Cador (FRA) for L16 loses 6-15

hokers
-16th June 2018, 16:36
Richard out to Avola in L16

hokers
-16th June 2018, 19:56
In WS today:

Aliya V20V2V +0 32nd vs Velikaya (RUS) for L32 loses 9-15

Caiti 23V00 -12 cut
Kate 2011V2 -15 cut
SJ 40141 -15 cut

hokers
-17th June 2018, 12:04
Live results grindingly slow today.

hokers
-17th June 2018, 15:57
ME:
Harrison 2V4V3V +3 47th bye to L64 vs Timoce (ROU) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Ibanez (ESP) for L16 wins 14-13 vs Cimini (ITA) for L8 loses 9-15

Phil 323VV3 -3 70th vs Loyola (BEL) for L64 loses 10-15

Greg 4142V1 -12 cut
Paul 22434V -7 cut

hokers
-17th June 2018, 16:03
WF (61 entries):
Kate VV0V03 -5 33rd vs Oliveira (POR) for L32 loses 10-15
Ayesha 211V1V -8 42nd vs Volpi (ITA) for L32 loses 5-15
Yvonne VV0322 -7 40th vs Kirschen (GER) for L32 loses 3-15
Katie 2V30V -3 37th vs Jelilnska (POL) for L32 loses 11-15

hokers
-17th June 2018, 17:38
Harrison 2V4V3V +3 47th bye to L64 vs Timoce (ROU) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Ibanez (ESP) for L16 wins 14-13 vs Cimini (ITA) for L8 loses 9-15

Maybe need to bump this one up a bit - this is a huge result, best GBR Senior epee result since Jon Willis I think?

cesh_fencing
-17th June 2018, 21:42
Harrison 2V4V3V +3 47th bye to L64 vs Timoce (ROU) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Ibanez (ESP) for L16 wins 14-13 vs Cimini (ITA) for L8 loses 9-15

Maybe need to bump this one up a bit - this is a huge result, best GBR Senior epee result since Jon Willis I think?


Harrison ended 14th. Amazing result.

Jon won Heidenheim etc which was amazing and had a L16 at European Champs, but not sure whether he got through a 64 at the Worlds (please correct me if I am wrong).

If that is the case this is probably the best Men's Epee result at a Worlds in 20+ years or even more. I cannot remember Quinten Berriman's best Worlds result, if he had not made a last 16 then it goes back maybe 30+ years.



PS I wait to be proven wrong as my memory is pretty poor.

roadie
-17th June 2018, 22:23
Congratulations to Harrison on fantastic result - 14th at Senior Euros 2018

ED_R
-17th June 2018, 23:02
Excellent. Well done Harrison.

cesh_fencing
-17th June 2018, 23:10
Harrison ended 14th. Amazing result.

Jon won Heidenheim etc which was amazing and had a L16 at European Champs, but not sure whether he got through a 64 at the Worlds (please correct me if I am wrong).

If that is the case this is probably the best Men's Epee result at a Worlds in 20+ years or even more. I cannot remember Quinten Berriman's best Worlds result, if he had not made a last 16 then it goes back maybe 30+ years.


Been at EYCs for too long today.

Harrison's result matches Jon's at Euros in 2008.. So best in 10 years!!!

Hope Harrison can push on to repeat such performances at the World level.

hokers
-18th June 2018, 10:33
WE - 84 entries:
Danielle 03V123 -15 cut
Julie 22334V -10 cut
Katrina V34VVV +7 25th vs Murtazaeva (RUS) for L32 loses 7-13
Hannah 313121 -19 cut

hokers
-18th June 2018, 12:29
MS:

Curtis VV3VVV +15 6th bye to L32
James 42V2VV +4 29th vs Lokhanov (RUS) for L32
JJ V33V1V -1 31st vs Kisel (BLR) for L32
Will 40V21 -11 45th vs Montano (ITA) for L32

JohnL
-18th June 2018, 12:55
Saber guys going well

Miller fenced really well in the poules to get a bye in the L64 through to the L32.

In L64
Honeybone beat Lokhanov (Russia) 15-13
Deary beat Montano (Italy) 15-11

Couple of very good DE wins!!

Webb up next in the L64. Hope he makes it into the L32 with his teammates!!

JohnL
-18th June 2018, 13:09
And Jonathan makes into the L32

15-14 against Kisel (Belarus)

Well done the Sabreurs. All 4 into the L32!!

Hope they keep going! Good luck guys!

hokers
-18th June 2018, 13:23
Curtis VV3VVV +15 6th bye to L32 vs Shengelia (GEO) for L16
James 42V2VV +4 29th vs Lokhanov (RUS) for L32 wins 15-13 vs Berre (ITA) for L16
JJ V33V1V -1 31st vs Kisel (BLR) for L32 wins 15-14 vs Danilenko (RUS) for L16
Will 40V21 -11 45th vs Montano (ITA) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Curatoli (ITA) for L16

JohnL
-18th June 2018, 13:57
Will loses in L32 to Curatoli (Italy) 15-11
Tough loss. He was up at the end of the first period and fenced well but couldn’t hold Curatoli in the second period.

JohnL
-18th June 2018, 14:08
Curtis and JJ both out. (Tough 15-13 loss for Curtis)

Great win for James (15-13) against Berre’ (Italy) Into the L16!

hokers
-18th June 2018, 14:10
James 42V2VV +4 29th vs Lokhanov (RUS) for L32 wins 15-13 vs Berre (ITA) for L16 wins 15-13
vs Curatoli (ITA) for L8

Curtis VV3VVV +15 6th bye to L32 vs Shengelia (GEO) for L16 loses 13-15
JJ V33V1V -1 31st vs Kisel (BLR) for L32 wins 15-14 vs Danilenko (RUS) for L16 loses 8-15
Will 40V21 -11 45th vs Montano (ITA) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Curatoli (ITA) for L16 loses 10-15

hokers
-18th June 2018, 15:05
James 42V2VV +4 29th vs Lokhanov (RUS) for L32 wins 15-13 vs Berre (ITA) for L16 wins 15-13
vs Curatoli (ITA) for L8 loses 10-15.

Savin.A
-18th June 2018, 17:06
Harrison ended 14th. Amazing result.

Jon won Heidenheim etc which was amazing and had a L16 at European Champs, but not sure whether he got through a 64 at the Worlds (please correct me if I am wrong).

If that is the case this is probably the best Men's Epee result at a Worlds in 20+ years or even more. I cannot remember Quinten Berriman's best Worlds result, if he had not made a last 16 then it goes back maybe 30+ years.



PS I wait to be proven wrong as my memory is pretty poor.

I'm somewhere between 96 and 127% certain that Jon got a L32 at the Worlds but that's by the bye

Regardless, massive result from Harrison (and all the other British fencers making the L16 this week)!

Keith.A.Smith
-18th June 2018, 20:22
James 42V2VV +4 29th vs Lokhanov (RUS) for L32 wins 15-13 vs Berre (ITA) for L16 wins 15-13
vs Curatoli (ITA) for L8 loses 10-15.

Very good to see the improvement in Men's Sabre results and well done to all and to James in particular on his top 16.

Good luck for the team event.

Keith.A.Smith
-18th June 2018, 20:24
Harrison 2V4V3V +3 47th bye to L64 vs Timoce (ROU) for L32 wins 15-11 vs Ibanez (ESP) for L16 wins 14-13 vs Cimini (ITA) for L8 loses 9-15

Maybe need to bump this one up a bit - this is a huge result, best GBR Senior epee result since Jon Willis I think?

Very good top 16 result and joined by James Honeybone as a top 16 today too.

hokers
-19th June 2018, 09:30
MFT this morning:

GBR seeded 8th vs Hungary for L8 win 44-43
vs Italy for L4 lose 27-45
5-8 places to follow

WST:

GBR seeded 12th vs Ukraine for L8 lose 27-45
vs Serbia next for 9-16 places

JohnL
-19th June 2018, 11:54
Looks like JD was storming against Hungary, with a 6-1 and 11-4 (final bout) wins in his matches. Good to see him with those kind of results.

Wondering why he didn't fence against the Italians in the L8. Hope he's not injured.

hokers
-19th June 2018, 12:25
MFT this morning:

GBR seeded 8th vs Hungary for L8 win 44-43
vs Italy for L4 lose 27-45
vs Germany lose 36-45
vs Belarus for 7th next

WST:

GBR seeded 12th vs Ukraine for L8 lose 27-45
vs Serbia next for 9-12 win 45-14
vs Turkey for 9-10 lose 25-45
Vs Bulgaria for 11th place next

hokers
-19th June 2018, 13:13
MFT this morning:

GBR seeded 8th vs Hungary for L8 win 44-43
vs Italy for L4 lose 27-45
vs Germany lose 36-45
vs Belarus for 7th win 45-41

WST:

GBR seeded 12th vs Ukraine for L8 lose 27-45
vs Serbia next for 9-12 win 45-14
vs Turkey for 9-10 lose 25-45
Vs Bulgaria for 11th place win 45-37

hokers
-19th June 2018, 14:36
Some video from the MS

Will vs Curatoli http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSV9AZhQZUA&t=183m7s
James vs Berre http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSV9AZhQZUA&t=194m20s
Curtis vs Shengelia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnYvW-3OvBk&t=190m39s
JJ vs Danilenko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfH3FHXqoAY&t=192m13s

hokers
-20th June 2018, 10:26
MET 20 teams:

GBR seed 19th vs Poland for L16 lose 32-45
No placing matches in L32

WFT 12 teams:
GBR seed 11th vs Poland for L8 lose 30-45
9-12 placing to follow

hokers
-20th June 2018, 13:53
WFT 12 teams:
GBR seed 11th vs Poland for L8 lose 30-45
vs Romania for 9-10 lose 37-45
vs Serbia for 11th win 45-29

hokers
-21st June 2018, 09:46
WET 17 teams:

GBR seed 15th, bye to L16
vs Estonia for L8 lose 26-45
vs Spain for 9-16 next

MST 12 teams:
GBR seed 10th
vs Ukraine for L8 about to start now here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JlCxnZaFkY

hokers
-21st June 2018, 10:29
WET 17 teams:

GBR seed 15th, bye to L16
vs Estonia for L8 lose 26-45
vs Spain for 9-16 lose 36-45
vs Israel next

MST 12 teams:
GBR seed 10th
vs Ukraine for L8 lose 40-45
vs Serbia in 9-12 next

hokers
-21st June 2018, 12:26
WET 17 teams:
GBR seed 15th, bye to L16
vs Estonia for L8 lose 26-45
vs Spain for 9-16 lose 36-45
vs Israel for 13-14 lose 37-45
vs Serbia for 15th place next

MST 12 teams:
GBR seed 10th
vs Ukraine for L8 lose 40-45
vs Serbia in 9-12 win 45-10
vs Belarus for 9th place next

hokers
-21st June 2018, 12:54
MST beat Belarus 45-44 to finish 9th.

FencingMove
-22nd June 2018, 09:22
Is it me or have we done better across the board this year?

Stats anyone?

coach carson
-22nd June 2018, 11:39
Is it me or have we done better across the board this year?

Stats anyone?

Regardless of any comparative stats, well done to BF for letting full teams have a go at this. I can't describe the motivational effect it has had on our fencers. Great job by the coaching team.

danKew
-22nd June 2018, 12:12
Regardless of any comparative stats, well done to BF for letting full teams have a go at this. I can't describe the motivational effect it has had on our fencers. Great job by the coaching team.

I second that - it's been great to follow all the GBR squads throughout the competition.

hokers
-22nd June 2018, 13:09
Regardless of any comparative stats, well done to BF for letting full teams have a go at this.

I think it's a positive thing to send the full complement of individual fencers, but if you're not going to fund your teams throughout the year it's probably not worth entering the team events to be honest. You're going to be up against the top teams in the main draw due to seeding and the placing matches outside L8 are good experience, but ultimately a bit pointless IMO.

The big benefit to the individuals is the (relatively) easier points available from the zonal when compared with the GP/WC circuit. If you want to do the individual circuit, you're competing with other fencers with the same easier points inflating their ranking, so you always get seeded at the bottom. I'm pleased to see all places offered with that in mind, hopefully we'll see a few more individuals trying their luck at the FIE circuit this season.

hokers
-22nd June 2018, 13:17
if you're not going to fund your teams throughout the year it's probably not worth entering the team events to be honest.

To clarify this slightly, I mean not worth entering those weapons which don't normally do the team events circuit MF and MS are entering them all pretty reliably so have built up a ranking over the previous year.

FencingMove
-22nd June 2018, 14:03
To clarify this slightly, I mean not worth entering those weapons which don't normally do the team events circuit MF and MS are entering them all pretty reliably so have built up a ranking over the previous year.

I guess there is the age old argument that 'somebody needs to come last'.

If every nation who didn't think they could get an L8 didn't go to the competition you would only have 8 countries participating.

Did we actually manage to get a L8 anywhere outside of MF? If not, and given the limited scope of competition that's quite disappointing.

Good to see us doing better in this competition though. Would not imagine a lot of money went into sending athletes so the juice probably worth the squeeze.

hokers
-22nd June 2018, 14:29
If every nation who didn't think they could get an L8 didn't go to the competition you would only have 8 countries participating.

Did we actually manage to get a L8 anywhere outside of MF? If not, and given the limited scope of competition that's quite disappointing.


Yeah, but if it's cost an extra £3k for 4 fencers and a coach to stay/eat/train 3 more nights, plus the entry fee, it might have been better to spend the money on individual lessons. Mens Epee team had ONE match for that cost. Even after Harrison's great individual result, we have no-one in the top 100 in the world, so it's a mountain to climb.

It's rare for us to make team L8 at Euros or Worlds outside MFT. (exception being in WFT where there are sometimes 8 or fewer entries)
MST Euros 2016 and WST vs China a few years back are the only exceptions I can remember.
It was very close MST vs Ukraine though, could have won that on another day.

FencingMove
-22nd June 2018, 15:19
Yeah, but if it's cost an extra £3k for 4 fencers and a coach to stay/eat/train 3 more nights, plus the entry fee, it might have been better to spend the money on individual lessons. Mens Epee team had ONE match for that cost. Even after Harrison's great individual result, we have no-one in the top 100 in the world, so it's a mountain to climb.

It's rare for us to make team L8 at Euros or Worlds outside MFT. (exception being in WFT where there are sometimes 8 or fewer entries)
MST Euros 2016 and WST vs China a few years back are the only exceptions I can remember.
It was very close MST vs Ukraine though, could have won that on another day.

With the state of funding at the moment I completely agree. I personally didn't think NGB would be funding this, just thought they would be giving team members the opportunity to go. If we are funding from money which could be spent elsewhere seems pretty obvious that we shouldn't be sending teams which are severely underpowered.

Is there a qualification system for the teams? e.g. teams must have X number of athletes in the top 100 in the world or team members must have cumulatively achieved X number of L32 finishes. Perhaps that would make sense.

Agree that with the limited money we have we should be putting it where it will have most impact.

JohnL
-22nd June 2018, 15:24
"I guess there is the age old argument that 'somebody needs to come last'."

You are absolutely correct, however the important thing is to have a cohesive plan to get better.

"Good to see us doing better in this competition though."

You've gotta be kidding.

The MF and MS teams can hold their own at international level. This as a result of a number of years of investment and hard work by the athletes themselves.

In other weapons one team got only one win over a team that had 3 of their fencers in the bottom 10 of the individual, while another had one of their wins over a team whose fencers came last, 2nd to last, and 3rd to last in the individual. (Thank God Serbia decided to enter teams!!!)

Currently, GB is not competitive in the team events at any of the other 4 weapons and there appears to be no plan to improve other than plodding along in the same fashion as previously.

I also have concerns over our MF team. They clearly struggle at the top level without RK. In addition, 2 members are fencing in the US and KC is 37(?).

Where are the younger fencers coming through?

FencingMove
-22nd June 2018, 16:10
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You've gotta be kidding.

The MF and MS teams can hold their own at international level. This as a result of a number of years of investment and hard work by the athletes themselves.

In other weapons one team got only one win over a team that had 3 of their fencers in the bottom 10 of the individual, while another had one of their wins over a team whose fencers came last, 2nd to last, and 3rd to last in the individual. (Thank God Serbia decided to enter teams!!!)

Where are the younger fencers coming through?

Yeah I was talking about the competition more generally. E.g. in the individuals I can't remember a time in recent memory where we have achieved so many L16 finishes across the weapons. That's got to be an improvement right?

At the end of the day a good team performance comes out of good individual fencers so the only thing you can do is continue to develop individual fencers. Which it looks like we are doing.... not sure what you want really. Empires aren't built in a day, especially with no funding.

I do agree with the point that until we have the fencers to substantiate a team entry, we shouldn't be frittering away precious cash as detailed above.

cesh_fencing
-23rd June 2018, 13:53
Yeah I was talking about the competition more generally. E.g. in the individuals I can't remember a time in recent memory where we have achieved so many L16 finishes across the weapons. That's got to be an improvement right?

Totally agree that to get last 16s in Foil, Epee & Sabre is great to see. Shame no-one was able to push on from that level, but possibly an indicator of a step in the right direction.

ZorroSW
-28th June 2018, 15:03
Interesting discussions about funding issues once again.

It might interest readers of the Forum to know that once again the Epee Club has provided finance from its CIO (The Epee Club Charitable Fund) towards our epeeists and their coaches at the Europeans. This is in line with our charitable aims to bring on British Epee as described in the SWORD last year.

At the same time, we are also in discussions with BF to help develop the Juniors at their World Cups and our young epee coaches who need help in their career path. This includes giving them the necessary international experience. The finance for this is overseen by the British Epee Development Committee - a body not directly allied to BF. In this way we are looking to ensure that our epeeists get the opportunities they need to compete at these levels.

Congratulations to Harrison on his fine result, not forgetting the other members of the team and their coaches. Good to see Phil Marsh back in the game as well!

Lawrence Burr
Vice President
The Epee Club
Chairman British Epee Development Committee

danKew
-28th June 2018, 15:11
Many thanks for the update Lawrence. It's great to see the Epee Club supporting our athletes. I have a related question, will there be any support for cadet epee this coming season? Last year we benefitted greatly from having Keni as a travelling coach and it would be amazing to have a comparable arrangement this coming season.

ZorroSW
-29th June 2018, 16:39
Hi DanKew!

The answer is a tentative yes at present.

As you are probably aware, there is no Epee Coordinator for the Cadets in the ICMG nor is there a Junior Weapons Manager for Epee since Jon Willis left. Hence we are looking at these two important posts being filled before we can go forward into the next season. The Epee Club Charitable Fund has had funds allocated for our young epeeists at the World Cups by the British Epee Development Committee - now it just needs the final details to be tidied up with Steve Garrett and his team.

The Epee Club was delighted at the Junior and Cadets success last year. Our funding helped to provide the necessary coaches at the 2017 World series and we certainly look forward to that success being emulated in the next season.

I'll make sure that I keep the Forum updated with progress.

As a PS, if anyone else out there wants to help with funding our epeeists, then please feel free to look into the Epee Club website ( www.epeeclub.org.uk )under the CIO tab and donate! Sorry about the plug!

Lawrence Burr
Vice President
The Epee Club
Chairman British Epee Development Committee

EdwardHyde
-30th June 2018, 14:05
As far as I can see there is little or no epee representation in ANY BF committee that makes decisions on talent, selection, funding or pretty much anything else.


Hi DanKew!

The answer is a tentative yes at present.

As you are probably aware, there is no Epee Coordinator for the Cadets in the ICMG nor is there a Junior Weapons Manager for Epee since Jon Willis left. Hence we are looking at these two important posts being filled before we can go forward into the next season. The Epee Club Charitable Fund has had funds allocated for our young epeeists at the World Cups by the British Epee Development Committee - now it just needs the final details to be tidied up with Steve Garrett and his team.

The Epee Club was delighted at the Junior and Cadets success last year. Our funding helped to provide the necessary coaches at the 2017 World series and we certainly look forward to that success being emulated in the next season.

I'll make sure that I keep the Forum updated with progress.

As a PS, if anyone else out there wants to help with funding our epeeists, then please feel free to look into the Epee Club website ( www.epeeclub.org.uk )under the CIO tab and donate! Sorry about the plug!

Lawrence Burr
Vice President
The Epee Club
Chairman British Epee Development Committee

EdwardHyde
-30th June 2018, 14:21
With the state of funding at the moment I completely agree. I personally didn't think NGB would be funding this, just thought they would be giving team members the opportunity to go. If we are funding from money which could be spent elsewhere seems pretty obvious that we shouldn't be sending teams which are severely underpowered.

I wasn't aware that the NGB was funding anything, certainly not at Junior level where funding for everything comes from Parents & sponsors. From limited experience I would state that Senior competition funding comes from those same sources as well plus one other - the fencers themselves.

On this basis I would suggest that there is absolutely no reason to deny the fencers the opportunity to compete at every level in every weapon. We are not coming consistently last in anything & it isn't costing the NGB anything so what is the problem?

danKew
-30th June 2018, 14:42
Hi DanKew!

The answer is a tentative yes at present.


Brilliant, that's better than I was expecting! :cool: