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kitten
-22nd August 2005, 18:03
Hey Guys and Dolls, hope exams went well and the summer was fab!




So where's everybody going then?





Anyone off to Nottingham...?

mozzar
-23rd August 2005, 18:19
Aberystwyth. Is it wrong that i'm more looking forward to fencing up there than actually going out socialising? :(

Aidan
-23rd August 2005, 18:38
Although Aber is the home of Satan (I went to Bangor for many years, so Aber were the local rivals), you should have a fantastic time there. I go there for work every month and know some of their fencers too: it's a great town and the fencing clubs are good too. Learn Welsh! (If you don't already speak it).
Aidan

telkanuru
-23rd August 2005, 18:41
University of Massachusetts, Amherst:tongue:

We have a fairly good team, if any of you want to fly across the Pond for a match :grin:

Phil_Abel
-23rd August 2005, 21:16
Salford for me.

All the Greater Manchester Unis share a club don't they?

I'm not sure whether to go there or Trafford Sword Club, I've been told Trafford is a good friendly club.

I'll probably give both a try, see which I like best.

Foilling Around
-23rd August 2005, 21:31
I don't think the Grtr Man Uni's do share a club, though I am a little out of touch.

Actually Tubby and I first met at Salford University Fencing Club - 21 Years ago. Frightening!!!

annacattiva
-23rd August 2005, 21:52
Warwick!

Although I'm going to be a post-grad. Anyone know if I'm allowed to fence competitively with the team being a post-grad?

Anna

Phil_Abel
-23rd August 2005, 22:14
You know whats more frightening? That was a year before I was even born!


Looks like Manchesters club does serve all 4 unis now, http://www.au.man.ac.uk/fencing/abouttheclub.html

I'll give both a shot, maybe as the uni club has two nights I could attend both.

D'Artignan
-23rd August 2005, 23:16
Why oh why is no-one coming to lovely(!) Dundee?:rolleyes:

Aidan
-24th August 2005, 11:02
Hello annacativa: yes, post-grads can fence for the university. I have done for two unis now (Bangor as an undergrad and Master's student, Wolverhampton as a PhD student).
Aidan

Mantis
-24th August 2005, 14:48
Originally posted by Foilling Around
I don't think the Grtr Man Uni's do share a club, though I am a little out of touch.

Yes they do, or at least they did a couple of years ago. However, there have been a lot of toys thrown out of a lot of prams before, during and after the merge so I don't know what the official position is at the moment.

Cheetara
-24th August 2005, 15:05
Yes they do, or at least they did a couple of years ago. However, there have been a lot of toys thrown out of a lot of prams before, during and after the merge so I don't know what the official position is at the moment.

I thought the before bit happened very calmly, the sports people at Manchester, UMIST and Man Met got together one summer and decided to merge the clubs. (Without properly telling the actual clubs naturally ;) .)

I'm kind of out of date too though :( .

Spaced
-27th August 2005, 16:31
liverpoooooool.

anyone else going?

Gangsta G
-28th August 2005, 16:06
Birmingham :grin:

Nottingham rejected my application! Their loss I think!!! :tongue:

KPeh
-28th August 2005, 17:29
Originally posted by Spaced
liverpoooooool.

anyone else going?

Yes! I am :D!

Shame I'm a terrible fencer :p.

Maverick
-29th August 2005, 18:44
AT EXETER!

But I'm working full time in Cornwall, and will therefore not actually be there. So not really back to student life at all, unfortunately! ;)

Are there any Exeter Uni fencers out there? Maybe I could come out of BUSA retirement! Actually that's probably unlikely; I'm going to be as busy as a bee this year... or possibly an ant with some type of work-dependency problem...

Maybe we could just have a beer or ten in the Ram?! :)

J_D
-29th August 2005, 22:58
Weyhey...... I discovered another fencer going to UWE so we might manage to put a team together!

Adler
-30th August 2005, 09:14
Originally posted by annacattiva
Warwick!

Although I'm going to be a post-grad. Anyone know if I'm allowed to fence competitively with the team being a post-grad?

Anna

If you do end up fencing for the Warwick team could you make sure they actually turn up to their matches with Coventry?

Last varsity day we felt really rejected :(

Lenny
-31st August 2005, 16:10
Royal Holloway!

Any other prospective jailbirds out there?

D'Artignan
-31st August 2005, 16:14
My lawyer says "No comment!"

Aer
-31st August 2005, 18:54
Depending on my results in my final viva tomorrow, I could be either

At Keele Uni doing my clinical training under the auspices of Manchester University.

At St Andrews (still) doing an Honours year.

Its a medic's life for me!

bucket
-1st September 2005, 09:13
After finally leaving Dundee (6 years after starting) still trying to find somewhere that will take me for a MSc/ PhD.

St. Andrews- "Non. "
Aberdeen- "Get Tae...."
Cardiff "Not at the moment"- course full
Birbeck London "Traill... not in a million years" (old member of staff works there)
UBC "Canadians Only"- seeing as I was trying to get a research assistant job to pay for it.

So still looking. D'art leave now- being a Dundee graduate is bad for your job prospects.

D'Artignan
-1st September 2005, 10:48
Originally posted by bucket
D'art leave now- being a Dundee graduate is bad for your job prospects. I'll take my chances, Bucket. After all, I've still got my lucrative(?) career as a grumpy bar-steward to fall back on:confused:

Xev
-2nd September 2005, 13:15
Originally posted by Lenny
Royal Holloway!

Any other prospective jailbirds out there?

Yep - just not as a student.... :o:

Which makes me think - is it only students who are allowed to fence at Uni clubs? I can't remember if you have to be a member of the SU or not...

Rubber Ducky
-2nd September 2005, 13:48
Originally posted by Xev

Which makes me think - is it only students who are allowed to fence at Uni clubs? I can't remember if you have to be a member of the SU or not...

I personally think it's disgusting when people who aren't even students, fence for universities in places they even hadn't visited, in university competitions..... you'll never catch me doing that......:confused:

Cheetara
-2nd September 2005, 14:09
Which makes me think - is it only students who are allowed to fence at Uni clubs? I can't remember if you have to be a member of the SU or not...

Generally depends on the University. I think most Unis want their club to prioritise their own students though. Some Unis charge non-students more too.

You're not allowed to compete for a Uni in BUSA competitions if you're not a student there.

Boo Boo
-2nd September 2005, 14:13
Originally posted by Rubber Ducky
I personally think it's disgusting when people who aren't even students, fence for universities in places they even hadn't visited, in university competitions..... you'll never catch me doing that......:confused:

I received two offers from local university teams to fence for them last year... didn't except either (think I would have got found out somehow...).

Boo

Rubber Ducky
-2nd September 2005, 14:29
I did tell the organisers I was not a student, just there to coach. They were great - reply was "ah shaddap n ' give us the money". I must confess it was lots of fun! Pity i can't really do it again - but would reeeaally feel guilty then! ;)

Spider5
-4th September 2005, 20:51
Originally posted by Rubber Ducky
I did tell the organisers I was not a student, just there to coach. They were great - reply was "ah shaddap n ' give us the money". I must confess it was lots of fun! Pity i can't really do it again - but would reeeaally feel guilty then! ;)

How the hell did you pass for a student :grin:

Rubber Ducky
-4th September 2005, 21:10
Originally posted by Spider5
How the hell did you pass for a student :grin:

Did I say pass FOR a student? sorry I ment I made a pass AT a student.:rolleyes:

Xev
-5th September 2005, 11:17
Originally posted by Cheetara

You're not allowed to compete for a Uni in BUSA competitions if you're not a student there.

I really don't think that's ever going to be an issue...! ;)

It's just that the new location has made it very difficult to get to my old club, so I'm looking for a new club (actually, make that clubs...) nearby.

Cheetara
-5th September 2005, 11:38
I have to say that I've never heard of any Uni actually putting someone who shouldn't be on a team on a team.

Aidan
-5th September 2005, 11:40
You'll find a lot of variation in membership rules at university clubs. Mine doesn't allow in external fencers because the Union is technically a charity which exists to further the aims of the student body (or something) and therefore isn't allowed to fund non-student activities. We don't charge for fencing, so can't allow in others. I turned down an 8-year old recently! Other clubs are more relaxed, especially when there aren't any other clubs in the region.

When it comes to BUSA, the small print says that NUS/SU cards should be checked before each match - which probably happens about as often as a club provides the mandatory 'independent referee'!

Spider5
-5th September 2005, 13:04
Originally posted by Rubber Ducky
Did I say pass FOR a student? sorry I ment I made a pass AT a student.:rolleyes:

That makes so much more sense :grin:

Seriously though I think everyone loses out if non-students aren't allowed to fence in Uni clubs at all. Non students can bring experience (well age anyway) and stability (not finishing courses and leaving) to a Uni club that surely benefits everyone. By all means charge them more, don't let them compete in University competitions, give membership preference to students and don't allow them to be on the club commitee. However, fencing is enough of a minority sport as it is, short sighted membership policies in the clubs that do exist will only worsen that.

pigeonmeister
-5th September 2005, 14:17
Originally posted by Cheetara
I have to say that I've never heard of any Uni actually putting someone who shouldn't be on a team on a team.

What are the rules on foreign fencers doing a semester (but not a full year) at a UK University? Assuming they join their atheltic union and pay club fees can they fence?

Our uni club is too big (or our gym too small?) to invite non students. Although certain recent alumni have come along to fence with us on rare occasions.

However the more experienced fencers with their own kit are generously invited to fence at BFC, who train at the Uni anyway. So we get the best of both worlds.

p.s I have never in any BUSA league, cup or individual competetion, had my atheltics union card checked. The only time I have had my BFA card checked is at the individuals. You could easily fence an entire season for any uni, with the possible exception of the finals, without being a student, let alone a member of anything! The independent ref thing is hilarious!

Aidan
-5th September 2005, 14:45
I totally agree with Pigeonmeister - the small print would invalidate virtually every university match! Foreign students are fine to fence - we had a junior Czech international last year (5th in BUSA individuals) who was only here for a semester. As long as they are proper AU members and BFA members, it's fine. As far as I remember, last time we beat Birmingham Men, the majority of both teams were foreign students!

I used to go to BFC sometimes, when I had the cash: good competitive club. Sutton Coldfield are good too, though the very experienced fencers didn't have too much contact with the less-experienced, which I always feel is a shame.

If Birmingham Uni want a novices match (we haven't many experienced fencers this year) against Wolves Uni, get in touch and we'll sort something out.

Cheetara
-5th September 2005, 14:47
What are the rules on foreign fencers doing a semester (but not a full year) at a UK University? Assuming they join their atheltic union and pay club fees can they fence?

I think so but looking at the small print might be an idea. We at Lancaster got excited as we had a couple of American fencers last year and we might actually have had a full women's team (but they didn't really turn up...). You can include people doing distance learning degrees too.

I've seen coaches ref and men's team reffing womens matches and vice versa but independent... I've never seen an opponents NUS card.

BFA cards is also a bit of a joke when you're struggling to get 3 girls willing to hold a sword for a match. (not going to miss that aspect of uni fencing at all)

Aidan
-5th September 2005, 14:48
Totally forgot: I agree with every word of what Spider5 says. Unfortunately, it's often to do with the legal set-up of student unions and the Education Act. Of course, club officials are often "too busy" looking after "safety matters" to check membership cards (hypothetically, of course)!

Spider5
-5th September 2005, 17:30
Originally posted by Aidan
Totally forgot: I agree with every word of what Spider5 says. Unfortunately, it's often to do with the legal set-up of student unions and the Education Act. Of course, club officials are often "too busy" looking after "safety matters" to check membership cards (hypothetically, of course)!

Thanks :grin:

I think most Uni clubs are more to do with creating an active student community. In that sense they have a genuine purpose of getting people to belong to and run things. However, when fencing clubs in the UK are often so thin on the ground it is a bit galling to know of clubs where you live that you can't join. I don't think anyone gains from those situations.

kitten
-5th September 2005, 18:31
So nobody is going to Nottingham then *sniffs and looks dejected*

Spider5
-5th September 2005, 18:51
Originally posted by kitten
So nobody is going to Nottingham then *sniffs and looks dejected*

Oops, the original point to the thread was lost in my ranting.

Um, sorry looks like no-one on here is going to Nottingham. Looks like ice breaking in the bar rather than the internet - that should cheer you up :grin:

Farrago
-6th September 2005, 08:47
Originally posted by Spider5
However, when fencing clubs in the UK are often so thin on the ground it is a bit galling to know of clubs where you live that you can't join. I don't think anyone gains from those situations.

I agree. But then I'm bitter from having wanted to do fencing from when I was little but the only fencing clubs nearby were at public schools so I wasn't allowed:(

I'm returning to York. I will be going to Nottingham briefly this term as I have a few friends there but unfortunately not to fence (think he'd be upset if I turned up and asked the way to the fencing club).

Spider5
-6th September 2005, 10:46
Originally posted by Farrago
I agree. But then I'm bitter from having wanted to do fencing from when I was little but the only fencing clubs nearby were at public schools so I wasn't allowed:(



Can't let the riff raff in can they? There will be swearing and all sorts of nasty tacky sordidness going on before you know it :grin:

As a nipper I don't recall training at public schools but we used to have competitions with them every now and then. Hoi polloi vs the toffs - get it on :grin:

Farrago
-6th September 2005, 12:41
Originally posted by Spider5
Can't let the riff raff in can they? There will be swearing and all sorts of nasty tacky sordidness going on before you know it :grin:


Aye, we didn't bother with blunted poky sticks, just kept to the knives:tongue:

D'Artignan
-6th September 2005, 13:58
Originally posted by Farrago
Aye, we didn't bother with blunted poky sticks, just kept to the knives:tongue: You're not a 12 year old from Fife are you?:ahahhhhhh :sabre2:

Farrago
-6th September 2005, 15:11
Originally posted by D'Artignan
You're not a 12 year old from Fife are you?

No, 20year old (still not over the fact I'm not a teenager) from Yorkshire. University is fun, they let me play with weapons:)

gbm
-6th September 2005, 15:29
Scary that I'm only just not a teenager too and yet I'm already in my third year of Uni (as of next month)...

Good thing I'm on a four year course... how on earth can people be a student for such little time?
And then I don't actually intend to leave as such... :tongue:

Phil_Abel
-7th September 2005, 22:43
I've not been a teenager for well over a year and i'm just about to start my first year.

I'll be able to lord over the younger students like some kind of ginger royalty I expect.

Farrago
-8th September 2005, 15:26
I'm heading into my 3rd (and final) year too. Rather scared. Why on earth are they giving me responsibility? I think I'll be too busy panicking to do any lording!

Xev
-8th September 2005, 15:32
Originally posted by Phil_Abel
I've not been a teenager for well over a year and i'm just about to start my first year.

I'll be able to lord over the younger students like some kind of ginger royalty I expect.

Until you meet all the postgrads :tongue:

Or if you're at Lancaster, all the former students who graduated 15 years ago but are still hanging around... Stay there for more than 4 years and they say you can never leave...

j-lo
-8th September 2005, 18:47
anybody coming up to durham? i'll be returning so pm me and i'll see if i can help. xxx

Phil_Abel
-8th September 2005, 21:55
Thankfully i'm not going to Lancaster Uni, i'm a local. I couldn't go to uni without moving away from home, don't think i'd be able to enjoy myself fully.

Mr. Shrubbery
-12th September 2005, 19:02
Originally posted by Aidan
You'll find a lot of variation in membership rules at university clubs. Mine doesn't allow in external fencers because the Union is technically a charity which exists to further the aims of the student body (or something) and therefore isn't allowed to fund non-student activities. We don't charge for fencing, so can't allow in others. I turned down an 8-year old recently! Other clubs are more relaxed, especially when there aren't any other clubs in the region.

I asked our Sports Office about this some time last spring, and here's the rub (apparently, the regulations are supposed to be the same all over the country). To join a student club you, first of all, have to be a member of the NUS.

If you are a student (and automatically a member of the NUS), and your university doesn't have the facilities for you to do a specific sport, you can, at least in theory, join any student club in the country. You will, of course, have to pay all the usual membership and facilities fees.

If you are not a student, you can still join the NUS, same as you can join any other union. I am not sure about the exact mechanics of the process. You can probably join it as an independent individual, but at least some local students unions will let you join through them, particularly if you are one of the alumni. My way of sidestepping this whole matter was to get my name onto the university's coaching register. ;)

To take part in the BUSAs you do have to be a bona fide student, and you can only represent the university you are, at that point, registered at.

Aidan
-12th September 2005, 21:59
Almost accurate! To fence in BUSA, you have to be at a university union which is an affiliate to BUSA. To join a union fencing club, you have to be a student union member - at most universities, this will mean that you are a member of the NUS (a subscription organisation joined by individual independent student unions), but some student unions aren't NUS members. Affiliate union membership can never be NUS membership but will be associate membership of your individual student union which doesn't give you the right to access the facilities of other unions Reciprocal NUS membership means access to most facilities (bars etc) if you go to another university for a sports match or conference etc. I presume that this means you can turn up to the fencing club, but I'm not sure. It definitely doesn't mean you can become a regular member, which is a shame: sandwich course people should be able to transfer easily.

To make it more complicated, some universities run sport directly, rather than devolving responsibility to student unions!

Hope this makes things less clear,
Aidan
(former Union hack, sabbatical officer, NUS representative, fencing captain, coach, lecturer . . .)

Mr. Shrubbery
-13th September 2005, 15:16
That's scary. I can actually follow what you are saying. I need to get out of here... :ahahhhhhh

Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

I'm not 100% sure what the deal is with visiting students. A while ago we did have a German girl who came over for a year to another university in the same city as us. We are, at present, the only student club around, although that looks set to change. Because she was registered with another university, she could not, at least officially, fence for our team (but hey...). They did in the end find find a way for her to take part in the BUSA individuals, presumably representing the university she was officially attached to. (I think, she ended up coming third, but I can't find the results for that year.) The woman who was at the time running our sports office and dealt with all our entries was a dragon. I'd be mightily surprised if there was any kind of an under-the-counter arrangement.

Dragonfly
-13th September 2005, 16:07
Well I'm currently at sussex uni. Doesn't seem to be too many people going there either. We're a bit short on experienced fencers atm. Hopefully the next lot of freshers will bring with it some experience. The club is foil orientated though, so my epee skills just deteriorate whilst I'm at uni.

pigeonmeister
-14th September 2005, 10:34
Originally posted by Dragonfly
Well I'm currently at sussex uni. Doesn't seem to be too many people going there either. We're a bit short on experienced fencers atm. Hopefully the next lot of freshers will bring with it some experience. The club is foil orientated though, so my epee skills just deteriorate whilst I'm at uni.

Is L Halsted still fencing at Sussex this year?

Phil_Abel
-15th September 2005, 22:56
Crikey, last night before I leave. No going back now eh

Off to the land of matchstick men, New Order and Christopher Eccleston

Dragonfly
-16th September 2005, 18:35
Yep, L Halsted is 'supposedly' still fencing there. He's on a scholarship but we never see him at training, only really at matches. I think this is his last year unless he's doing a Masters, and then Sussex Mens team is going to be short a decent fencer... hopefully others will come along.

stephends
-18th September 2005, 10:50
Originally posted by annacattiva
Warwick!

Although I'm going to be a post-grad. Anyone know if I'm allowed to fence competitively with the team being a post-grad?

Anna

Hi there I'm a graduate medic at Warwick and yes they do let us fence, come to the stand at freshers fair if you get a chance.

Maxim
-21st September 2005, 14:48
Anybody going to any of the London Uni. colleges? Desperately need some people for the team.

D'Artignan
-21st September 2005, 16:11
Our lot got a load of newbies from the Freshers' Fair. Hope we keep some, there were a lot of honeys, sorry, ladies with potential there

Phil_Abel
-21st September 2005, 20:08
Even though the Manchester Universities fencing club accepts Salford students, they weren't at the activities fair today.


I find it hard to believe that I would be the only fencer starting at Salford this year.

stephends
-21st September 2005, 21:29
Anyone else for Warwick??

If I'm right its freshers week either this week or next for most universities. Now is the time to plug your club, Give me one good reason why should people bother parting with there hard earned cash to join your club rather than say ultimate frizbee :eek: (heaven forbid)

Start with: (insert university name club name here) is better than ultimate frizbee because.....

D'Artignan
-21st September 2005, 22:39
Originally posted by stephends
Start with: (insert university name club name here) is better than ultimate frizbee because..... Not quite the tag line you're looking for (hopefully), but a good one for us is "Now you're in Dundee, you'll need to know about stabbing people"

Mantis
-22nd September 2005, 07:53
Originally posted by Phil_Abel
Even though the Manchester Universities fencing club accepts Salford students, they weren't at the activities fair today.


I find it hard to believe that I would be the only fencer starting at Salford this year.

It's possible that they didn't manage to get someone to go along to Salford's freshers fair as, if I remember correctly, Wednesday is generally the busiest day.

Just turn up next Tuesday or Friday at the Sugden Centre on Grosvenor Street. I think they start at 8pm, but it is a long time since I have been there so I cannot remember.

Boo Boo
-22nd September 2005, 08:20
Originally posted by stephends
Give me one good reason why should people bother parting with there hard earned cash to join your club rather than say ultimate frizbee :eek: (heaven forbid)

Start with: (insert university name club name here) is better than ultimate frizbee because.....

Don't do down the other minority sports... ;)

... two of the guys I used to work with (in a spoddy systems engineering company) are on the GB Ultimate Frisbee Team! Although I did get the impression that the GB World Championship team was whoever could turn up (AND preferably catch, throw and run).

Boo

stephends
-22nd September 2005, 12:40
Originally posted by Boo Boo
Don't do down the other minority sports... ;)

... two of the guys I used to work with (in a spoddy systems engineering company) are on the GB Ultimate Frisbee Team! Although I did get the impression that the GB World Championship team was whoever could turn up (AND preferably catch, throw and run).

Boo

good point change it to football

pigeonmeister
-22nd September 2005, 13:15
Originally posted by Boo Boo
! Although I did get the impression that the GB World Championship team was whoever could turn up (AND preferably catch, throw and run).

Boo

I have a very good friend on the GB UF team who might have something to say about that! It is a really demanding sport, both physically and in terms of skil. The enormous pitch, tight man marking and fact that you change ends after every point makes it knackering. The wind and huge lengths you have to throw at speed make it very skilful. I think that it had a chance at the Olympics but the fact that you have to referee yourself (which i think is nice) was a barrier. Not sure what the qualification standard would be though :grin:

On a seperate point, we had our sports fair yesterday. Went really quite well, got about 60 freshers provisionaly signed up with more promised. Also bagged us a fresher who is a top 20 senior womens epeeist. I was expecting more men to be interested but actually it seemed to be about 60:40 women. I gues I've still got it! (I doubt this though)

silvercross
-23rd September 2005, 15:07
Right, I might as well give it a go... been at the university computer lab for faaar too long...

'Start with: (insert university name club name here) is better than ultimate frizbee because.....'

Liverpool University Fencing Club (www.liverpool-fencing.com yes, gratuitous advert) is better than ultimate frizbee because...

...we usually send our sabreurs to run them off from the sports hall :grin:

...any sport where the flying saucer isn't being shot at doesn't deserve to be called a sport.

and the best one...

...let's face it, if you take up ultimate frizbee, you're a closet border collie! (or you think your teammates are) :tongue:

So I say pick up a sword (doesn't matter which one it is, be it foil, sabre, or pig sti...I mean epee), and join your local uni fencing club!

As for Lancaster uni, 'if you stay there for more than 4 years you never leave...' Poor former Liverpool Club Captain from 2004...he thought he was getting a good deal moving over the the Cumbrian side of the force...

Boo Boo
-23rd September 2005, 16:07
Originally posted by pigeonmeister
Not sure what the qualification standard would be though :grin:

That was sort of my point about the GB Team - the guys I know on the team are fit, athletic and dedicated, BUT couldn't really give a straight answer regarding how they qualified FOR the GB team... :confused:

Phil_Abel
-23rd September 2005, 16:51
You get in the GB team by being able to catch the frisbee in your mouth and not peeing on the carpet.


I think the lack of representation of the universities of manchester fencing club at Salford fresher's fair is something to do with Salford not actually even acknowledging fencing as one of their sports.

silvercross
-23rd September 2005, 17:00
Over here in Liverpool Uni (www.liverpool-fencing.com yep, more shameless adverts. I'm the webmaster, can you blame me?) it's the same. We end up getting quite a few people from John Moores Uni asking if they can join the club every year, because their athletic union doesn't have one. Our club lets them join as club members, but cannot be taken into consideration for the squad.

It'd be nice if more unis had fencing clubs, but then again, it'd also be nice if the bbc would transmit a fencing match every now and again...

Phil_Abel
-23rd September 2005, 17:03
The Manchester one is actually a joint club for Manchester, Man-met, Salford and UMIST but they still don't actually list it in the prospectus.

Even the circus skills club takes higher priority

kirst
-23rd September 2005, 17:05
and if there are any ladies (i use the term loosely :tongue: ) coming to liv uni then pleeeeeease sign up - i'm desperately trying to pull together a ladies squad for this year! half my girls are working or on placements :(

silvercross
-23rd September 2005, 17:13
and sadly my manly beard and abundant chest hair prohibit me from joining the ladies team! :grin: (unless, of course, I claim stereotypical 'east european' descent...)

www.liverpool-fencing.com (What?!, haven't you seen the website yet?!)

Can't believe the circus skills club gets priority at Man Uni. Over here we chase everyone off when we need to fence (helps when our coach is 6'2", weighs a slender 15 stone :grin:, and always has a sabre in his hand), except the badmintoners, who are our sworn mortal enemies. Rackets and shuttlecocks! Bah!

Phil_Abel
-23rd September 2005, 17:22
Its looking increasingly like I will in fact be the only Salford fencer, and its a long walk to the club, and there might be bears hiding along the route.

Think i'll have to pay a visit to the student union reps to see if I can at least get them to acknowledge that the club exists

silvercross
-23rd September 2005, 17:27
From my only walk around Salford Uni one lovely winter evening, I'd say the bears would be affraid to go out after dark...

It is a shame about your uni not having a club and not being mentioned in the prospectus. Uni reps can only do so much. Would you be elligible to fence for Manchester Uni? (or whatever the massive megauniversity calls itself now)

Phil_Abel
-23rd September 2005, 17:30
Its a joint club shared between all the greater manchester universities (Salford, Man-met, UMIST and manchester).

I think its aimed largely at Manchester students but we're all eligible to join

http://www.au.man.ac.uk/fencing/abouttheclub.html

Cheetara
-26th September 2005, 09:48
As for Lancaster uni, 'if you stay there for more than 4 years you never leave...'

As someone who's a current Lancaster student I really ought to defend the place but I've been here for two years and I'm leaving on Wednesday and I'm so happy about it you wouldn't believe. Great department, great PhD project, great supervisor good pubs even great AU but what a depressing campus and the worst nightclubs I have ever been to. Especially after being at both Manchester and Sheffield which really are fantastic places to be a student.

Xev
-26th September 2005, 15:09
Originally posted by Cheetara
As someone who's a current Lancaster student I really ought to defend the place but I've been here for two years and I'm leaving on Wednesday and I'm so happy about it you wouldn't believe. Great department, great PhD project, great supervisor good pubs even great AU but what a depressing campus and the worst nightclubs I have ever been to. Especially after being at both Manchester and Sheffield which really are fantastic places to be a student.

I wish I could comment properly, but as the whole campus seems to have moved south by half a mile since I first started there, (10 years ago this week... :o: ) it's not quite the same place it was.

I never found it depressing, although I guess it depends on what you're used to, and where you are on it (north of the Spine was always better - it had Cartmel Coffee Bar for a start!). And I always loved having the Lakes practically on the doorstep.

And back then the clubs and pubs were much better. Over the past five years too many of the unique places have been taken over by chains - which I actually think has something to do with the changing nature of students themselves over the years...

I may have only been there just over four years, but it's the place I most consider home :)

And the four year comment I think is in student folklore - some reference to the Pendle witches originally, I think.
Although possibly to do with the first degree followed by Masters thing... :)

Tarmac
-26th September 2005, 15:11
and don't forget to throw fairy liquid in the fountain in the town centre... it's tradition!

Hudson
-26th September 2005, 15:14
Originally posted by Tarmac
and don't forget to throw fairy liquid in the fountain in the town centre... it's tradition!

your just a disruptive person.

but it is good fun though

Cheetara
-26th September 2005, 15:27
and don't forget to throw fairy liquid in the fountain in the town centre... it's tradition!

Someone did that last week. V cool to see!

I think if you're an undergrad/ have been an undergrad at Lancaster it's better. I know a lot of people who've made really good, close friends as undergrads here.

Generally the campus I actually see during the day is grey concrete or beige bricks and dirty. 60's architecture (sp?) at it's finest!

kirst
-26th September 2005, 15:34
I had to be there for a Special Study Module - for some reason Liverpool offloads half its students over there each year - and although the module was fantastic, I prefer Liverpool Uni, although that might just be because it's familiar. I hated the elevator in.. whatsit.. that tower block accommodation place.. number 8 on the map. Hated it so much I dragged my case all the way up to the 12th floor :confused:

D'Artignan
-26th September 2005, 16:21
Originally posted by Tarmac
and don't forget to throw fairy liquid in the fountain in the town centre... it's tradition! Are there any statues to put a traffic cone on top of?

Boo Boo
-26th September 2005, 16:46
Either it is freshers week in Bath or something very odd is happening in Sainsburys... (95% of shoppers this afternoon appear to be under the age of 20 and about 75% of those were of Chinese in origin... :confused: )

Boo

Phil_Abel
-26th September 2005, 19:17
Ah yes, the fountain. Being from Lancaster I always got such a thrill out of going into town every saturday to see market square covered in suds.

Such an original prank that was, you could have at least put some food colouring in it every now and then to give us a bit of variation.

Lancaster is **** if you want a night out but I will violently defend it in any other regard.

Xev
-27th September 2005, 08:48
Originally posted by kirst
I hated the elevator in.. whatsit.. that tower block accommodation place.. number 8 on the map. Hated it so much I dragged my case all the way up to the 12th floor :confused:

Bowland Tower.

They blocked off access to the top floor after several people had thrown themselves off it...


Originally posted by Phil_Abel
but I will violently defend it in any other regard.

Same here. There are many reasons I still find any excuse to visit! Like the John O'Gaunt, the Whale Tail, the fireworks...

silvercross
-28th September 2005, 14:36
So THAT's why Lancaster got the rep as Uni with the highest suicide rate in the UK a few years back....

Cheetara
-28th September 2005, 15:18
So THAT's why Lancaster got the rep as Uni with the highest suicide rate in the UK a few years back....

I think it was actually a fact. Possibly due to the high number of students that come here from very far away. Not something that gets put on the prospectus though...

Xev
-28th September 2005, 15:25
Originally posted by Cheetara
I think it was actually a fact. Possibly due to the high number of students that come here from very far away. Not something that gets put on the prospectus though...

It was 10/11/12 years ago - not any more, though. And I think it was quite possibly just due to the opportunity...

Is this getting a bit too morbid now...? :confused:

strawberry
-28th September 2005, 16:13
I heard it was Keele that has the highest suicide rate. Whether that's true or not I don't know.

silvercross
-29th September 2005, 10:18
I think it has to do with the fact that quite a lot of the unis that get that rep are isolated from any main cities. It's not the ideal situation for some students. And before anyone says anything, yes, lancaster is near a city (at least I think it's designated one)

Xev
-29th September 2005, 10:32
Originally posted by silvercross
And before anyone says anything, yes, lancaster is near a city (at least I think it's designated one)

The University is - Lancaster is a city. One of the older ones. Something to do with having a cathedral...

Although it's certainly not a main one - I think the only city that's smaller is Wells! :confused:

Phil_Abel
-29th September 2005, 16:41
Lancaster is indeed a city, having a university I think is a criteria for being a city. Thats why Preston is now a city since Preston Polytechnic became UCLAN.

St Paul's doesn't actually count for city status as it is not an anglican cathedral.

Lancaster has actually been a city since 1937, before the university was founded though.

I imagine its status possibly has something to do with the duchy of Lancaster and its association with the monarchy.

kirst
-30th September 2005, 13:36
No no, Xev was right, it's to do with the cathedral. And anything can be a cathedral so long as it has a cathedra, or so I was led to believe on a field trip once. So I could set up a cathedra (although I have no idea what one of those is) in my garden shed and declare the boundaries of Kirst-ville! :P I didn't think it mattered which denomination the cathedral represented... Dunno. I'm a scientist. I'll shut up now.

Leonie H
-30th September 2005, 15:01
A cathedra is the bishop's chair. Therefore a cathedral is the church in which the bishop's seat is. You can't really set one up in your garden shed - sorry.

silvercross
-30th September 2005, 16:16
Holy Elvis!

You've got the same name as a friend of mine! Same first letter surname too, though I reckon you're surname is Hicks (saw you at the Nationals Team Comp. Hope you're doing better. Last time I saw you you were suffering from heat-str...something the lovely scientist with the funky hair can clarify :) ).

What constitutes a religion? if so, then what constitutes a city? If a small town does not have a cathedral, but has a sinagogue or mosque, would it qualify for city status?

What if you are part of the ever increasing number of self proclaimed 'jedi'??

And lastly, how did we get into this topic?

www.liverpool-fencing.com
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Xev
-3rd October 2005, 10:29
Originally posted by silvercross
What constitutes a religion? if so, then what constitutes a city? If a small town does not have a cathedral, but has a sinagogue or mosque, would it qualify for city status?

The criteria have changed :) Towns now have to apply to become cities, and they don't allow the change in status very often. I think the last one was a few years back (2000?) when Wolverhampton put in a bid (and succeeded, I think...). Bit like bidding to hold the Olympics! :)

Which is why Lancaster's an 'old' city as opposed to a 'new' one...



What if you are part of the ever increasing number of self proclaimed 'jedi'??
I think that census thing was an urban myth - they don't officially recognise religions that way :)



And lastly, how did we get into this topic?

:o:

Phil_Abel
-3rd October 2005, 16:21
I took the plunge and went to Manchester's club.

They've got some good fencers there. Quite frankly i'm rather outclassed, mind you i'm used to that.


The situation with the club has changed now, Salford fencers can't fence for the team anymore, but they've said I can train there.

Its been suggested that I should try to drum up some support here and try and get a Salford team together, looks like i'll have to poke the student's union with a large stick.

Anybody got one to spare?

D'Artignan
-3rd October 2005, 16:26
Have you tried using the metal one you use when fencing?:tongue: :moon:

Phil_Abel
-3rd October 2005, 16:35
I'm an Epeeist, I don't hit things, I just sort of stand there and hope they run into me.

D'Artignan
-3rd October 2005, 17:10
Pretend the sports union is standing in the way of a giant doughnut or something;)

silvercross
-4th October 2005, 15:33
I say, when all else fails.....FLECHE!!! :tongue:

Go for it, and try to get Salford Uni into fencing. It'll be a welcomed adition to the NW leagues.

If they don't listen you can always hit them with the guard :grin:

University Athletic Unions can be a little thick sometimes. A good solid hit wakes them up...

Phil_Abel
-5th October 2005, 01:49
I was intending to send them an e-mail tonight, unfortunately I went for a drink after fencing, and another, and another, and several more.


I'll draft it tonight while drunk then refine it in the morning methinks.

gbm
-8th October 2005, 17:34
Originally posted by Xev
The criteria have changed :) Towns now have to apply to become cities, and they don't allow the change in status very often. I think the last one was a few years back (2000?) when Wolverhampton put in a bid (and succeeded, I think...). Bit like bidding to hold the Olympics! :)

Which is why Lancaster's an 'old' city as opposed to a 'new' one...

http://www.dca.gov.uk/constitution/city/citygj.htm

Ali_R
-17th October 2005, 20:19
umm.. back to the original post (dont hurt me!)

Im orf to Birmingham next year (im a Gappin-G), anyone else there or gonna be there? I had a look at the B-Ham uni fencing site thingy, and it looks mostly foil wrapped, with not much of a mention of poking people everywhere (epee)

Anyone here fence in Birmingham and know where's good?

silvercross
-18th October 2005, 09:15
Birmingham Uni has indeed quite a few good epeeists. I just forgot their names...if you look up the BUSA individuals results in the BFA website, you'll see what I mean.

Ali_R
-18th October 2005, 09:35
Ooh not bad, not bad. Watch for my name going up there in a year... LOL (u might need to do a bit of scrolling down!)

Aer
-18th October 2005, 10:43
Originally posted by Ali_R


Anyone here fence in Birmingham and know where's good?

well my friend from school was Bham uni captain for at least one season... they seem to have a good uni club, but im sure asking at the club would produce a few more extra curricular clubs to join.

my friend travelled back to stoke for a few training sessions.

Ali_R
-18th October 2005, 10:50
Thanks for the replies, it's still a while off but I thought I'd find out if fencing is "happening" up there. Now I'm looking forward even more!

pigeonmeister
-18th October 2005, 15:50
Originally posted by Ali_R


Anyone here fence in Birmingham and know where's good?

I'm mens captain and we have a decent team, though not as good as last year (when we won our league and came second in the overal championship to Cambridge).

Simon Marks (who fences epee for N. Ireland in Commonwealth games)is having a year in Paris, but will be back next year. I'm a foilist but do epee a bit (I think I came 20 something in BUSA epee individs). We have a good guy from Hong Kong as well. We also have 3 excellent GBR women epeeists in the form of Hannah Chennour, Helan Holloway and Helen Prior. The Melia's also often turn up, as does Matt Haynes.

It's sabre that we are now weakened in, after losing Hugh Jackson. It's got to the stage where I actually might have to fence sabre (baring in mind I have never fenced electric sabre and we have Northumbria first match- with Pete Kirby etc!) The good news is that we now have an excellent sabre coach in the form of Pete's dad- David Kirby.

Foil's stil are strong point with Alex Jarman coming 16th, me coming 5th and Phil coming 3rd in the BUSA individs. We havn't lost a foil match in 2 seasons, with our best result 45-7.

Also there are several good epeeists who fence at Birmingham Fencing Club who you could fence as well.

Ali_R
-19th October 2005, 08:32
Wow, sounds pretty good! Yeah, losing Hugh Jackson would be a bummer, having adamantium claws and being an x-man and stuff lol. j/k Well it looks like I may have to give sabre a go when I get there, if I can at least get the hang of epee properly first!