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tigger
-30th September 2006, 13:12
Anyone know where there's a website with up to date info? The official site isn't displaying any results, start lists or anything.

have heard that chris buxton and alex o' connell were both 4 up and 2 down after pools...

And in the L96:

Chris Buxton beat an Iranian sabreur 15-12 to make the L64 tomorrow.

Alex O' Connell beat a Japanese fencer 15-14 and also fences tomorrow in the L64.

No names of the two they beat or who they face tomorrow yet.
Great effort from both - best of luck tomorrow fellas

tigger
-30th September 2006, 13:13
Anyone know where there's a website with up to date info? The official site isn't displaying any results, start lists or anything.

have heard that chris buxton and alex o' connell were both 4 up and 2 down after pools...

And in the L96:

Chris Buxton beat an Iranian sabreur 15-12 to make the L64 tomorrow.

Alex O' Connell beat a Japanese fencer 15-14 and also fences tomorrow in the L64.

No names of the two they beat or who they face tomorrow yet.
Great effort from both - best of luck tomorrow fellas

Moby
-30th September 2006, 14:40
The site looks nice, but not very informative... has everal places that links to the "Results" section, but nothing very informative there!

http://www.escrime-torino2006.com/

Australian
-30th September 2006, 15:04
results here:

http://www.fencingworldwide.com:8080/WAFechten/index.jsp?


Tomorrows D.E:

Buxton 52 vs Oh (KOR) 13

O'Connell 54 vs Lopez (FRA) 11

Dalton
-30th September 2006, 17:08
Check out www.fencingworldwide.com

It has the results live.

Moby
-30th September 2006, 17:47
Thanks :-)

I was going to add:

http://www.fencingchannel.net/

Seems they're going to have the results, plus videos there, but they've nothing new yet!

But can't see Olli in the poules - I thought he was going?

Dalton
-30th September 2006, 18:41
so did I.

I will not comment. Ask him when you see him.

Insipiens
-30th September 2006, 20:53
It looks like Alex O'Connell made the L64 winning a DE 15-14 against Watanabe of Japan and Chris Buxton won 15-12 against TAHERKHANI of Iran. They are 54th and 52nd in the L64 respectively. So far so good. :)

They are of coursethe only two named on the BFA site as competing for Mens Sabre.

Insipiens
-30th September 2006, 20:57
Thanks :-)

I was going to add:

http://www.fencingchannel.net/

Seems they're going to have the results, plus videos there, but they've nothing new yet!

But can't see Olli in the poules - I thought he was going?
this page might help eventually. ;)

http://www.fencingchannel.tv/cms/index.php?id=1490

JulianRose
-1st October 2006, 11:00
anyone know when the men's sabre 64 is or have any news of what happened?

well done the women's sabreurs, three through from what have seen on the websites. unlucky for chrystal.

can't get onto fencingworldwide at the moment and fencingchannel.net has live feeds of mens foil which is really cool but not what i am after!

silvercross
-1st October 2006, 11:56
I thought that was live feed of women's foil DE's...

boy, my eyes must be going...

Australian
-1st October 2006, 12:04
Both GBR MS D.E's are on at 2pm,

Gav
-1st October 2006, 13:05
I thought I wuold let you all know that fencingchannel have 2 (yes 2 pay attention) live streams going at present.

I am currently watching some sabre... no commentary so I've no actual idea what is going on.

get them here:

http://www.fencingchannel.tv/cms/index.php?id=1645

Glue Boy
-1st October 2006, 13:37
Chris lost 15-10 to OH Eun Seok

Alex lost 15-6 to LOPEZ Nicolas

Big upsets so far, Lukashenko and Yakimenko out in L64

Dutch
-1st October 2006, 14:36
Got mens sabre on 2 video streams. Too small to identify the nation though there are no brits left. Does anyone know twhat time the womens sabre DE starts

silvercross
-1st October 2006, 15:27
http://www.fencingworldwide.com:8080/WAFechten/index.jsp

has the results of poules and DE's up fairly quickly (much faster than the italians are updating their webpage)

Gav
-1st October 2006, 15:40
When it works...

The rumour is that they are, somehow, tied into the actual tournament software.

Prometheus
-1st October 2006, 16:12
I've seen the following listing for Eurosport:


Fencing Eurosport UK (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvs&id=166035102&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 9:00 AM
(60 min., Martial Sports)



Action from the first day of the World Fencing Championships from Turin, Italy.


Future Episodes:

Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159835400&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 5:30 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159923600&.intl=uk) Tue Oct 03 6:00 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1160155800&.intl=uk) Fri Oct 06 10:30 AM

cainey
-1st October 2006, 16:28
originally posted by prometheus
I've seen the following listing for Eurosport:

Fencing Eurosport UK Mon Oct 02 9:00 AM
(60 min., Martial Sports)

Action from the first day of the World Fencing Championships from Turin, Italy.


all duly sky plussed! can't wait

cainey

:)

Touché Turtle
-1st October 2006, 16:33
I've seen the following listing for Eurosport:


Fencing Eurosport UK (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvs&id=166035102&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 9:00 AM
(60 min., Martial Sports)



Action from the first day of the World Fencing Championships from Turin, Italy.


Future Episodes:

Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159835400&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 5:30 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159923600&.intl=uk) Tue Oct 03 6:00 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1160155800&.intl=uk) Fri Oct 06 10:30 AM

They've not only listed it in 'TV and Satellite Week' they've even got a picture of Richard Kruse fencing. Fencing must be getting popular or something!

Exgeordielass
-1st October 2006, 18:12
Well Done, Sky Plus now set and ready - notice the Monday session follows beach volley ball now if only Eurosport could think of a cunning plan to keep people watching ...

I suppose we are back to James Chambers though

Gav
-1st October 2006, 18:17
I realise that it doesn't have any audio content but you CAN watch the fencing - right now. It's definitely on fencingchannel. Looking at the links it looks as thought Uk Eurosport are only going to show us brief highlights.

I am curious to know what they are going to show - I don't get UK Eurosport.

Glue Boy
-1st October 2006, 18:38
Pozdniakov 15 - 11 Nemcisk

Pozdniakov is World Champion

Moby
-1st October 2006, 18:42
Got mens sabre on 2 video streams. Too small to identify the nation though there are no brits left. Does anyone know twhat time the womens sabre DE starts

I was watching the men's sabre semis and finals on the fencingchannel stream - I saw that in the first semi, Frossine vs Podzniakov, at 14-13 up Podz went for what looked like a compound attack, but seemed to stop in the last feint before finishing the hit. Frossine then just hit him as he stopped. Ref calls the hit Frossine's way (and it looked that way on the live-stream!). Podz seemed to refuse to fence until the ref went to where the TV unit was and had a look at the replay. I didn't have any sound on my streaming, so had no idea if that was what really happened, but it was interesting. Especially as the ref seemed to call the hit the other way and therefore meaning Podz won!

A similar clip was caught on the stream in the final when Nemscik seems to query a hit and the ref had a quick look.

1. Is that what actually happened? (hard to tell with no sound!!)

2. If so, surely the ref is not allowed to change the way he calls the hit? Are there any rules governing this?

Thanks...

Glue Boy
-1st October 2006, 18:55
yeah, they are using video replays now, which I think is a very good thing (if used in moderation)

Gav
-1st October 2006, 18:57
The FIE are implementing an "appeal to the 4th ref" type video replay rule. You can read about it here (http://www.fencingchannel.tv/cms/index.php?id=1628here).

And here (http://www.fencing.net/blogs/morehouse/?p=10). One of the key Sabre bouts for the guy who writes this journal (Tim Morehouse) hinged on an appeal to the replay. The winning hit was orginally awarded to him and then, on reflection, was awarded the other direction. I can see this going down like the proverbial in an Olympics final. If the goal is to make ROW decisions more transparent then it seems counter productive. Unless the replay is going to be shown to the crowd AND anyone watching Live on television.

Glue Boy
-1st October 2006, 18:59
I think the following were disqualified in the Mens Sabre result, as they are not in the final results and appear at the bottom as finishing in 0. All of them lost in the Last 8. But may just be an error

LAPKES
SANSON
BAUER
GORSKI

doobarz
-1st October 2006, 23:24
Poules

GBR
Jo Hutchison W5 L1
Jess Lacheta W2 L3
Louise Bond-Williams W3 L2
Crystall Nicoll W1 L4 (one scratched in her poule)

Jaqueline Esimaje NGR W1 L4
Shelley Gosher RSA W2 L4
Siobhan Byrne IRE W4 L2

After poules

1 Anna-Lisa TOUYA FRA
2 Sophia VELIKAIA RUS
3 Leonore PERRUS FRA
4 Mariel ZAGUNIS USA
5 Ilira BIANCO ITA
6 Bogna JOZWIAK POL
7 Rebecca WARD USA\
8 Sada JACOBSON USA

26 Joanna Hutchison
38 Siobhan Byrne
47 Louise Bond Williams
65 Shelley Gosher
67 Jess Lacheta

Eliminated

74 NICOLL
75 ESIMAJE

L96

67 LACHETA Jessica bt 62 PAU Ming Wai 15-13

65 Shelley Gosher bt 64 AGUSTSDOTTIR Thorbjorg 15-4

L64

1 Touya vs 64 LACHETA
27 Gulotta vs 38 BYRNE
39 Vila vs 26 HUTCHISON
47 BOND-WILLIAMS vs Pundyk
63 GOSHER vs 2 Velikaia

doobarz
-1st October 2006, 23:25
So some tough early morning fights for the girls - good luck to them all!

GKB
-2nd October 2006, 06:32
Jo Jo into last 32 ! 15-2 ! WELL DONE!!!

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 06:47
Jojo wins easily 15-2 to make L32 :-)

Louise out 15-14 to Pundyk in L64

Jess L out 15-5 to Anne-Lise Touya

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 07:16
So far in MF Kruse 3 up, 0 down. Beevers 4 up, 0 down. Cook 1 up, 1 down. Riseley 2 up, 2 down.

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 07:19
Jojo 8-3 down at the break vs Rebecca Ward

doobarz
-2nd October 2006, 07:19
Arrgh! Two threads! Gav or other mod, can you merge them please?

doobarz
-2nd October 2006, 07:24
Touya bt LACHETA 15 - 5
BYRNE bt Guilotta 15-10
HUTCHISON bt Vila 15-2
Pundyk bt BOND-WILLIAMS 15-14
Velikaia bt GOSHER 15-4

in L32

HUTCHISON vs Rebecca WARD USA

BYRNE vs Hye Lim KIM KOR

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 07:26
JO out 15-7. Came back strongly after the break to 9-7 down. Good result for Jo, and she'll be GB no 1 again!

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 07:40
Beevers finishes 5 up, 0 down. Great start.
Looks like Panchan (THA) was scratched from his pool.

Risesly finishes 2 up, 3 down. Should be safely through

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 08:01
Kruse finishes 4 up, 2 down

Gav
-2nd October 2006, 09:05
Oops. Forgot to merge them ...

doobarz
-2nd October 2006, 09:05
Poules

Richard KRUSE W4 L2
James BEEVERS W5 1 scratched
Keith COOK W3 L3
David RISELEY W2 L3

Seedings after Poules

1 ITA CASSARA Andrea
2 ITA SANZO Salvatore
3 ITA BALDINI Andrea
4 GER JOPPICH Peter
5 GER KLEIBRINK Benjamin
6 CHN ZHANG Liangliang
7 FRA BEAUDAN Nicolas
8 CHN LEI Sheng

James BEEVERS seeded 20th

L96

79 Daivd RISELEY vs 50 Kasper PETERSON DEN
66 Keith COOK vs 63 Dmitri PETROV RUS
53 Richard KRUSE vs 76 Ruslan KUDAYEV UZB

doobarz
-2nd October 2006, 09:07
Ward bt HUTCHISON 15-7

Kim bt BYRNE 15-10

Insipiens
-2nd October 2006, 09:45
Poules

Richard KRUSE W4 L2
James BEEVERS W5 1 scratched
Keith COOK W3 L3
David RISELEY W2 L3

Seedings after Poules

1 ITA CASSARA Andrea
2 ITA SANZO Salvatore
3 ITA BALDINI Andrea
4 GER JOPPICH Peter
5 GER KLEIBRINK Benjamin
6 CHN ZHANG Liangliang
7 FRA BEAUDAN Nicolas
8 CHN LEI Sheng

James BEEVERS seeded 20th

L96

79 Daivd RISELEY vs 50 Kasper PETERSON DEN
66 Keith COOK vs 63 Dmitri PETROV RUS
53 Richard KRUSE vs 76 Ruslan KUDAYEV UZB
It looks like James is having another good Worlds so far. Let's hope he does even better than last time. I think Kudayev is the Uzbek that he lost to in the L16 at the Worlds last year. (All the red cards, passivity etc). Intereresing that he should come up against a Brit again.

Insipiens
-2nd October 2006, 09:52
Riseley beet Petersen 15-11 in the first DE. I think he will have Loic Attely in the L64. Went out to a Frenchman at the same stage last year.

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 10:10
All 4 MF in the L64!

Kruse won 15-7 in L96, Cookie won 15-14 and Riseley 15-11. Beevers has bye

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 10:17
Just noticed ME results - TC went out in first DE yesterday after 2 up 3 down in pools. Jon Willis was 4 up, 1 down and went out in L96 15-10

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 10:19
No 1 seed Fabrice Jeannet out 15-14 in L64 to the 64 seed Lu (HK)!!

tigger
-2nd October 2006, 10:24
No 3 seed Kolobkov, no 5 seed Moerch and no 7 seed Fischer also out in L64...

All prime numbers...! Look out no 2, 11 and 13 seeds :-)

Gangsta G
-2nd October 2006, 10:31
Interesting result from the MS:

50. WILLIAMS James USA M 22091985 000

Is there something we don't know? After I think it might be 3 years since he's fenced for GB by now! :tongue:

Well done to all the Brits looks like we're doing quite well on the whole :)

Gav
-2nd October 2006, 10:51
So with Fischer out does that mean that the field is completely open?

Lucan
-2nd October 2006, 11:09
There are two WILLIAMS James's

pigeonmeister
-2nd October 2006, 11:43
Our Mens foilists all have very tough L64's

Kruse (48) vs Dupree (17)
Beevers (20) vs Josh McGuire (45)- recent Commonwealth champion
Riseley (61) vs Baldini (4)
Cook (64) vs Le Pechoux (11)

Fingers crosses!

hokers
-2nd October 2006, 14:42
Oh for crying out loud. The one day I don't check the forum early enough, despite the TV on my desk, I don't notice the 9am listing until 9:58.....


I've seen the following listing for Eurosport:

Fencing Eurosport UK (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvs&id=166035102&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 9:00 AM
(60 min., Martial Sports)

Action from the first day of the World Fencing Championships from Turin, Italy.


Future Episodes:

Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159835400&.intl=uk) Mon Oct 02 5:30 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1159923600&.intl=uk) Tue Oct 03 6:00 PM
Fencing (http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=168044170&cf=0&lineup=uk&channels=europe_esu&chspid=166035102&chname=Eurosport+UK&title=Fencing&normalized=Fencing&progutn=1160155800&.intl=uk) Fri Oct 06 10:30 AM

silvercross
-2nd October 2006, 16:58
Hot Dog!

Jesika has done great in her round of poules! Happy to see the only fencer from my federation (Panamanian) who made it is doing well.

Makes the sad fact that she kicked my ass twice over the summer hurt less (a little less)...:grin:

3 Card Trick
-3rd October 2006, 07:54
Kruse into Last 32 beat Dupree 15 - 10 in Last 64 now fences Loic Attely

Beevers lost to McGuire in Last 64 15 - 7
Riseley losing to Baldini in Last 64 14 - 7
Cook lost to Le Pechoux in Last 64 15 - 6

rory
-3rd October 2006, 08:58
Kruse out in L32, 15-9 to Loic Attely.
3x64 and a L32 from MF.

Eddie
-3rd October 2006, 09:33
Kruse out in L32, 15-9 to Loic Attely.
3x64 and a L32 from MF.

yeah and salvatore sanzo out 15-13 in the Last 32

i can almost feel his pride hurting from here

Eddie

Eddie
-3rd October 2006, 10:11
yeah and salvatore sanzo out 15-13 in the Last 32

i can almost feel his pride hurting from here

Eddie

now cassera out 15-12 to attely

thats a bit of a double whammy

Eddie

madfencer
-3rd October 2006, 11:22
sounds like Attely's well on his way to a medal!!

JulianRose
-3rd October 2006, 12:03
sounds like Attely's well on his way to a medal!!

ah the kiss of doom. he went out in the next round (the L8)

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 12:11
All the L8 were pretty close - two 15-14 one 14-13 and one 14-13.

Gav
-3rd October 2006, 12:37
MF L4:

25 ITA BARRERA Stefano
4 ITA BALDINI Andrea

3 GER JOPPICH Peter
7 CHN LEI Sheng


One all ITA section - do we reckong it's Baldini?

Not sure who I would call for this. Anyone know what Sheng is like?

JohnL
-3rd October 2006, 13:01
Not sure who I would call for this. Anyone know what Sheng is like?

Apparently pretty good!

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 13:34
All the L8 were pretty close - two 15-14 one 14-13 and one 14-13.
That should be one 14-13 and one 15-13.

pigeonmeister
-3rd October 2006, 15:23
That's 3 Men's foilists all missing out on a World Championship medal by 1 hit- a bitter pill to swallow!

To think I was annoyed about doing the same at the Shropshire!

Very suprised to see Cassara and Sanzo out. Cassara especially has dominated the last 12 months.

I think that if Baldini beats Barrera (which he should) then I back him to win the final. Especially if he gets Lei as he has already taken out the other two chinese fencers (Zhu and Zhang) and a Korean. Joppich- Baldini would be a great final though. To be fair I'm seldom right about these things so put your money on Lei or Barrera!

pigeonmeister
-3rd October 2006, 15:30
Men's foil semis now on at http://www.fencingchannel.tv/cms/index.php?id=1645

Lei is a monster- a foot taller than the other 3!

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 15:44
really dark!
and how do you know who is who?
but thanks

pigeonmeister
-3rd October 2006, 16:00
Very Dark- can't see score or president (and more often than not the lights!)

Barrera versus Baldini first match (on now) Barrera on left I think!

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 16:07
Yes. Only worked it out by having the live scores in a different window (while obviously writing an email on a work issue).
Baldini was behind for quite a while, then pulled it back. Once he got ahead it looked like he would win all the way.

Pity you cannot even see lights for both ends.

pigeonmeister
-3rd October 2006, 16:09
Baldini won- not sure on score, Barrera did seem to have the upper hand in the first half with some excellent timing and footwork, then seemed to get caught a bit, stopped moving his feet so much and Baldini wore him down. Barrera just looked chuffed to be in the semis.

Joppich versus the Chinese bean pole next, don't know what to expect.

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 16:14
15-13 to Baldini.

So far Joppich is taking him apart.

pigeonmeister
-3rd October 2006, 16:40
Joppich wins, finishing with a classy flick reposte to chest. Joppich dominated the start, wobbled a bit in the middle and then demolished Lei at the end.

Joppich has a totaly different style to Baldini, he starts his attacks with his arm quite a long way back then finishes with a lightening step lounge or (more often) a kind of running fleche. Very fast hand (esp reposte) and pretty good at closing the distance (although this was more conducive to fencing the very tall Lei) Less precise with his footwork than Baldini and fewer timed attacks into a preparation. Baldini is very precise, has awesome timing and is a master at breaking up attacks. Both very good at close quaters, Joppich the more attacking fencer. Should be close.


Oh dear- its women's epee next!

husy
-3rd October 2006, 17:35
In my opinion, the favourite to win this year is Andea Cassara of Italy. He has not fenced yet, as he he had a bye to the last 64 so we shall see him in action later and decide.

Insipiens
-3rd October 2006, 17:38
Joppich wins the final 15-14: couldn't get the video stream to work on my home PC when I got in but thelive results page has told me this.

cardiac
-3rd October 2006, 21:32
Like two fencing anoraks we spent a total of 18 hours viewing the fencing on Sunday at Monday over the last weekend. An impressive venue, fantastic fencing (although I was not too impressed after the mens epee final). A Poule hall with easy viewing around all the pistes, a hall where the wheelchair fencing took place and a great DE hall with four raised pistes and a central one for the semis and finals. A huge screen based at the end of the DE hall was great for seeing the slow replays. The crowd was fantastic. Packed and loud. The Italians were absolute nutters whilst supporting their fencers. The referrees were brilliant. We saw alot of fights going to 14 all. Alot of fencers asking the referrees to double check their decisions. Aparently they allowed to ask three times during the DEs. Women's sabre semis and finals were fantastic. Zaganusi beating Jacobsen, a Korean, Kim losing by one hit to Rebecca Ward by 14/15 and then Ward taking the Gold from Zaganusi.

I am not an epee fan but seeing it at that level was awesome. However, the final between Viderra? and Wan? (not sure of the spelling) was difficult to see. They just didn't do very much! Very different tohow they had been fencing. The ref yellow carded them both. The spectators were loudly booing the fencers. The Korean won by 6 to 5 hits.

The wheelchair fencing was great in epee. Amazing ability to bend their backs backward to avoid being hit. It was quite dramatic.

Quite a humbling two days.

septic_belgian
-3rd October 2006, 22:09
Just to add to Cardiac's comments, the two days we spent watching the championships were fantastic. It was great to see the best that fencing has to offer.

My parents have lived in Turin for the past 5 years and a cheap few days away to watch the world championships were too good an opportunity to miss. And relating to all of the discussions about fencing on TV and non-fencers enjoying watching the sport, they were a great test group. My dad came with us from early on Sunday and with a few minutes of explanations of the rules such as target areas and right of way he was hooked. One of the first fights we saw was a women's foil fight between a French and Italian fencer whose names I forget, but the fight was very close and the crowds were going nuts. It was like watching a football game and he loved all of it. My mom and little brother arrived later in the day, just in time for the MS last 32/16 and by this time the stands were really filling up and unfortunately despite our best efforts we could not manage to find enough seats together, so we gave them our seats and found some other seats further away before having the opportunity to give them the same tutorial that we gave my dad. They were a bit lost, my brother's comments on the sabre were the best description I have heard about sabre in a long time. "a couple of guys running at each other, screaming then lights going off, but cool to watch and much more interesting than the foil." And this was after watching the women's foil semi finals. But my mom did like Keith Smart the US sabreur and she tought he was quite handsome.

The wheelchair fencing was my biggest revelation of the weekend. It was very inspiring to watch and it was some fantastic fencing. It was great to see a packed hall cheering on the wheelchair Italian sabre finalist with chants of "Italia, Italia"

The only thing I found a tad annoying, was that as a spectator it was not clear who would be fencing on what piste. We wanted to watch Chris and Alex fencing on Sunday and only caught the tail end of Alex's fight, but purely by random luck we walked past the piste and recognised his red lame.

On a side note, I was surprised to see that all of the equipment stands were selling Dartagnan II for €65 Euro, which is almost £20 cheaper than what we get charged in this country. I would be curious to find out why crossing the channel adds such a premium to the cost of fencing shoes in this country.

Anyway, I would highly recommend going to watch the world championships to everyone, it was very inspiring and great motivation to kick the training and fitness regime in high gear and for those of you who like Italy, visit Turin and the Piedmont region, it's a great city and a part of Italy that is still relatively unspoiled by hordes of tourist and they have great wine and for the foodies, a trip to Alba in Autumn is great just to smell the fresh truffle harvest wafting from the shops on the high street.

Gangsta G
-4th October 2006, 00:16
Ward taking the Gold from Zaganusi. Wow, that girl just keeps getting better and better... and only 16 years old

JoJo can hopefully feel pleased to have got 7 hits off the eventual winner

UglyBug
-4th October 2006, 10:38
Confused Ugly looked at team draw of Women's Foil and Italy are seeded 8th, despite taking 1,2,3 in the individual event - why's that?

Also - is Becca Ward currently World Cadet, Junior AND Senior champion in WS? Has that been done before?

And finally - how cool is this - what other active sport (at risk of offence am missing out things like archery and shooting where you stand still) would you find such an age range of world champs - Becca at 16 and Nagy who won the WE who is 36? The bronze medallist in the ME from Canada is over 40. I think that's awesome.

UglyBug
-4th October 2006, 11:19
In reply to the comment about D'Artagnan shoes being cheaper in Italy...

VAT is 4.5% - 10% vs the UK at 17.5%

Average salary is lower in Italy which contributes to the fact the gross national income (GDP plus net receipts of employee compensation and property income) is 30% higher in the UK than it is in Italy. Therefore cost of living (including pricing of consumer goods such as fencing shoes) is bound to be cheaper.

*takes geek hat off*

bydande
-4th October 2006, 11:45
In reply to the comment about D'Artagnan shoes being cheaper in Italy...

VAT is 4.5% - 10% vs the UK at 17.5%

Average salary is lower in Italy which contributes to the fact the gross national income (GDP plus net receipts of employee compensation and property income) is 30% higher in the UK than it is in Italy. Therefore cost of living (including pricing of consumer goods such as fencing shoes) is bound to be cheaper.

*takes geek hat off*

But ........ most economists estimate that the "black" or "grey" market (or whatever you want to call it) is larger in Italy than in the UK which compensates at least partially for the difference in the official figures.

And - the price of D'Artagnan II shoes in Germany is 64 Euro which includes 16% VAT i.e. almost as much VAT as in the UK!

So the real reason that Addidas shoes are more expensive in the UK than elswhere in Europe is that the official UK distributor(s) are probably making more profit per shoe.

pigeonmeister
-4th October 2006, 11:49
Also - is Becca Ward currently World Cadet, Junior AND Senior champion in WS? Has that been done before?


No it has not. Phenomenal performance. You can read the blog of her suitably chuffed father here:

http://www.fencingchannel.tv/cms/index.php?id=1683

It's good- slightly over eggs the pudding in relation to the 'I was having a heart attack at the side of the piste' running gag.

To think America had never even won a senior WC medal before this champs. Now they have a 1,2,3!

UglyBug
-4th October 2006, 11:54
But ........ most economists estimate that the "black" or "grey" market (or whatever you want to call it) is larger in Italy than in the UK which compensates at least partially for the difference in the official figures.

And - the price of D'Artagnan II shoes in Germany is 64 Euro which includes 16% VAT i.e. almost as much VAT as in the UK!

So the real reason that Addidas shoes are more expensive in the UK than elswhere in Europe is that the official UK distributor(s) are probably making more profit per shoe.

Gross profit, yes - but what about the higher overheads of selling etc. etc. - the grey market does indeed exist more in Italy, but that is only a partial difference. It is just a mini-peeve of mine that people whinge about things being cheaper overseas generally when it's merely representative of different economies.

Anyway, back on topic before moderators slap me on the hand - which events have GBR got teams in?

pigeonmeister
-4th October 2006, 11:56
In reply to the comment about D'Artagnan shoes being cheaper in Italy...


Incidently- D'art II's are £54.99 (inc vat) on Allstar website compared to £66.55 on LP website.

bydande
-4th October 2006, 12:05
It is just a mini-peeve of mine that people whinge about things being cheaper overseas

Agreed - people should stop winging and start acting. Its now easier than ever to buy stuff from the rest of Europe and if we all shopped via the internet in whatever part of Europe was cheapest for our required item, the European market would become more efficient and prices would either rise overseas :upset: or fall in the UK :thumbs_up .

monobrow
-4th October 2006, 12:20
[QUOTE=UglyBug]Also - is Becca Ward currently World Cadet, Junior AND Senior champion in WS? Has that been done before?

she also holds the world crowns for junior and senior team events (although the senior teams hasn't taken place yet, she won them in leipzig). thats 5 world titles at any one time, got to be a world record.

pigeonmeister
-4th October 2006, 12:31
Incidently- D'art II's are £54.99 (inc vat) on Allstar website compared to £66.55 on LP website.

Why has someone negatively rep'd me for stating this- are they a LP agent!?

Insipiens
-4th October 2006, 12:38
In reply to the comment about D'Artagnan shoes being cheaper in Italy...

VAT is 4.5% - 10% vs the UK at 17.5%

Average salary is lower in Italy which contributes to the fact the gross national income (GDP plus net receipts of employee compensation and property income) is 30% higher in the UK than it is in Italy. Therefore cost of living (including pricing of consumer goods such as fencing shoes) is bound to be cheaper.

*takes geek hat off*
The Standard rate of VAT in Italy is 20%. I don't believe that fencing shoes for adults would fall within either the reduced or super-reduced rate. Certainly I didn't spot anything that would cover them in a quick scan of the appropriate schedules. The UK standard VAT rate is actually lower than most of the EU (all except Luxembourg, Spain and Germany and Germany's is set to go up to 19% from January).

doobarz
-4th October 2006, 12:46
And a quick glance suggested to me that Stan was one of the oldest competitiors in MS - perhaps it is old men a whipper snappy girls who make the best fencers?

AussieMongrel
-4th October 2006, 20:59
And a quick glance suggested to me that Stan was one of the oldest competitiors in MS - perhaps it is old men a whipper snappy girls who make the best fencers?

Thats hilarious, teach you what side your bread is buttered on. I will give you a good rep to balance it out.

Ahhh but there agents are everywhere whats the bet I get negative repped now?????

UglyBug
-5th October 2006, 11:26
Back onto the minor topic of World Championships...

Noone has explained to simple Ugly why the Italian women's foil team were seeded 8th today when they took 1,2,3 in the individual event. Anyone know?

kalivor
-5th October 2006, 11:31
Back onto the minor topic of World Championships...

Noone has explained to simple Ugly why the Italian women's foil team were seeded 8th today when they took 1,2,3 in the individual event. Anyone know?
The seeding for the team event is based on the results from team World Cup events throughout the year, and not on individual results.

rory
-5th October 2006, 11:34
World team champs aren't just seeded off individual results - they're seeded primarily off the international team rankings.
The Italian WF team haven't been competing this season, by the look of it.

gbm
-5th October 2006, 11:37
World team champs aren't just seeded off individual results - they're seeded primarily off the international team rankings.
The Italian WF team haven't been competing this season, by the look of it.

Which I presume doesn't help countries who don't send full teams to things...

silvercross
-5th October 2006, 14:09
15-12 in a foil team match?!

I thought the italians were defensive in football only!

Cuppa
-6th October 2006, 13:43
[QUOTE=JoJo can hopefully feel pleased to have got 7 hits off the eventual winner[/QUOTE]

NO! She wanted 15!

Beccy has had an amazing year and has the possibility in the team event to take the full table of medals in Worlds events, but her semi final with the Korean Kim was littered with what I feel 'dubious' decisions by the ref in Beccy's favour! The Korean fenced beautifully and dominated but I couldnt understand the last 4 hits! There are video replays for the refs now, first time used in a major comp but the Korean I think was so flabbergasted she didnt ask for it! Maybe that was her mistake and Beccy's reward!

I did see the ref getting a right 'bollo**ing' by the arbitrage afterwards!

Insipiens
-6th October 2006, 16:39
NO! She wanted 15!

Beccy has had an amazing year and has the possibility in the team event to take the full table of medals in Worlds events, but her semi final with the Korean Kim was littered with what I feel 'dubious' decisions by the ref in Beccy's favour! The Korean fenced beautifully and dominated but I couldnt understand the last 4 hits! There are video replays for the refs now, first time used in a major comp but the Korean I think was so flabbergasted she didnt ask for it! Maybe that was her mistake and Beccy's reward!

I did see the ref getting a right 'bollo**ing' by the arbitrage afterwards!
opinions obviously vary as there is a thread on fencing.net about comments which briefly apperaed on the FIE to the extent that the Korean was robbed. The Americans were up in arms - not just about the FI apparently officially suggesting that ward didn't deserve to win but also because clearly all the hits were rightly decided .

doobarz
-6th October 2006, 22:34
1 RUS
2 USA
3 POL
4 HUN
5 FRA
6 CHN
7 UKR
8 GER
9 JPN
10 KOR
11 GBR
12 ITA
13 HKG
14 ROM
15 CAN
16 AZE
17 VEN
18 VIE
19 RSA

GBR have a bye through the L32, fence China in L16 @ 9.15 (competition time)

doobarz
-6th October 2006, 22:39
1 FRA
2 ITA
3 GER
4 POL
5 RUS
6 CHN
7 AUT
8 USA
9 JAP
10 GBR
11 ESP
12 BEL
13 CAN
14 HUN
15 KOR
16 NED
17 UKR
18 VEN
19 HKG
20 DEN
21 ROM
22 SWE
23 IRI
24 RSA
25 UZB

In L32 GBR fence Iran @ 8.30 (competition time)

hokers
-7th October 2006, 13:23
OK if I read this right:

GBR MF team beat Iran and Austria, lost to Italy in the quarters, lost to China in the 5-8 and decide between 7th and 8th later this afternoon vs Japan.

And the WS team had a bye to the L16 where they lost 28-45 to China

doobarz
-7th October 2006, 14:40
OK if I read this right:

Looks right to me!

Congratulations to the GBR MS Wheelchair fencing team on their 8th place.

ChubbyHubby
-8th October 2006, 11:36
World team champs aren't just seeded off individual results - they're seeded primarily off the international team rankings.
The Italian WF team haven't been competing this season, by the look of it.

Which I presume doesn't help countries who don't send full teams to things...
Well, in this case it wouldn't matter to GBR as no WF is at the WC anyway!

ChubbyHubby
-8th October 2006, 12:53
Yes. Only worked it out by having the live scores in a different window (while obviously writing an email on a work issue).
Baldini was behind for quite a while, then pulled it back. Once he got ahead it looked like he would win all the way.

Pity you cannot even see lights for both ends.
Been watching the WC on WCSN.com all week. Very good quality with sound - on demand too, no need to record. Cost me £6 in total (£3 or so for WCSN, another £3 or so for software to by-pass their system that blocks non-US access).

Well worth the money - instead of trying to workout what's going on with the fencingchannel thing. They even of archives of last years' champs.

husy
-8th October 2006, 22:17
My club website www.fencingacademy.org (http://www.fencingacademy.org/) has full info of the world championships.