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uk_45
-22nd September 2003, 15:51
Hey right i wear glasses (well i wouldnt be writing this other wise) and well just wish some one could make a mask which doesnt knock them of or puch them aside. Has any one found away of beating this problem?

rory
-22nd September 2003, 16:03
Other than wearing contacts?

I know a few people who fence in glasses, and as I recalls most of them go for one of the German masks. It's either Allstar or Uhlmann that's a slightly wider fit - you'd need to try them on I guess.

The Leicester and Highland opens are jointly sponsored by Allstar-Uhlmann this year, you might be able to compare & contrast if you can get along to either comp.

spirall333
-22nd September 2003, 16:05
I too have had this problem in fact on a good hit with a epee it can feel like the entire force is directed straight to the nose bone!
my only sugesstion would be smaller frames (or the memoflex type) or a larger mask.
personaly i dont get on with contacts but maybe thats a option for you, i have thought about asking my optition i'll let you know if they have any better ideas.
I'm guessing but tigger seems to have a conection with specsavers maybe he can have a word with them?
B

Muso440
-22nd September 2003, 18:08
I recently gave up and got contacts. Once I had the mask on, it was okay, it was just getting it on and off which was a pain. I can't remember what make (club masks), but I'll look next time I go. Another problem I encountered was the specs getting steamed up if I breathed at just the wrong moment of putting the mask on - although this seemed only to happen in the summer.

reposte
-22nd September 2003, 19:27
I have an Uhlmann , and it's fine to wear glasses. As I recall when I contacted them to buy it they specifically asked me whether I wear glasses.
I said no because I use contacts but every now and again I get too lazy or my eyes burn to much to put them on.
The mask is fine with glasses, it's just - as the lady before me said - a bitch to put the mask on and off:
I can't tell you how many times I came back home with a pair of bleeding pinches up the bridge of the nose
from ramming the glasses to my forehead as I took the mask off...

uk_45
-22nd September 2003, 19:37
Thanks for all the input so far its really usefull, no personally i dont get on with contacts and the man problem is i fence sabre and one good hit to cheak knocks them aside. Please keep sending me your ideas.

stevejackson
-22nd September 2003, 19:53
uk_45, Its been a long time since I fenced in glasses (25 years or so) I remember the problem though and as I recall part of the answer was to put the mask on the opposite way to the one I was shown. - No don't be daft the mask must cover your face, not the back of your head.

I mean if everyone puts their mask on with a downward motion from the top of the head try putting your chin in first and pulling it up, or vice versa. I can't remember the best way but one method was definitely superior for me. Doing it that way pushed my glasses onto my face, doing it the other pulled them off.

Bonzolium
-22nd September 2003, 21:42
I too have exactly the same problem, with my mask catching on the arms of my glasses.

One possible solution, is to get a pair of safety goggles or something of similar shape which wrap round the head and have little distance between the 'frame' and the temples (which is presumably where the mask catches).

I do know that Boots can make up a prescription set and most possibly a local optician can also get the frames in as well

Hope this post is of some use

Mantis
-22nd September 2003, 21:49
I wear glasses while fencing and I have no problem. Am I just strange, then? More strange than normal, I mean.

Rdb811
-22nd September 2003, 23:39
I've haven't had any problems - I do look into the mask when putting it on, as Steve said., othet than looking down once when taking the mask off and the glasses dropping off. Broke a 200 Zeiss lens. Argh. Now have a plastic pair and 'Croakies' Strap to keep in place. (From Run & Become) - yu can get straps at any option - I know specsavers do sports frmes, but they don't seem much use for fencing.

Now wehn I used to kart, it was a different matter..

Secret Squirrel
-23rd September 2003, 08:57
From specsavers or ?Vision Express you can get a small black elasticated strap for 2.50 that's for sports - it's what I use, stops you having to do 'time out's' to shove your glasses back up your nose.

NLSC Sabreur
-23rd September 2003, 09:34
Originally posted by stevejackson

I mean if everyone puts their mask on with a downward motion from the top of the head try putting your chin in first and pulling it up, or vice versa. I can't remember the best way but one method was definitely superior for me. Doing it that way pushed my glasses onto my face, doing it the other pulled them off.

I usually wear glasses and chin first has always worked for me.

Leon Paul masks are quite cramped and maybe unusable with some glasses so it may make sense to look at an Uhlmann or a PBT mask.
I tried to get on a new LP Sabre mask a couple of years ago and its strap arrangements at the back made it impossible to get on with glasses on. (On a side note the changeable bibs on the LP sabre masks tend to flap up in unsafe way.)

Muso440
-23rd September 2003, 15:49
Originally posted by stevejackson
I mean if everyone puts their mask on with a downward motion from the top of the head try putting your chin in first and pulling it up, or vice versa. I can't remember the best way but one method was definitely superior for me. Doing it that way pushed my glasses onto my face, doing it the other pulled them off.

I developed some procedure involving tipping your head backwards. Hard to describe though, and probably not relevant for uk45's problem anyway.

uk_45
-23rd September 2003, 16:53
Na I have a way of dealing with them getting knock off as ipout the mask on. i think i strap may work to stop them falling off in sabre anymore ideas keep them coming it's very helpfull (and nice to no im not the only one that finds this a problem)

Muso440
-23rd September 2003, 18:15
Of course, you could try parrying better so you don't get hit around the head ;)

uk_45
-23rd September 2003, 21:05
Hmmm yeah well alot of the time its just the off chance or in other cases its Moose doing a lovely strong beat attack but yeah what ever

randomsabreur
-24th September 2003, 09:11
I have a LP mask and it seems to be OK with my glasses. THe main reason I changed to contacts was that I was sick of having to clean my glasses mid fight when they steamed up. With the nationals being a summer competition now, it was too distracting.

That said, I do occasionally fence in glasses, main thing being not to take mask off upwards, because that digs the nose pieces into your nose.

I have never needed an elastic strap, but the glasses can't really go anywhere in my mask.

Secret Squirrel
-24th September 2003, 09:14
I find even the tiniest slip of them drives me mad...

NLSC Sabreur
-24th September 2003, 16:18
Originally posted by randomsabreur
I have a LP mask and it seems to be OK with my glasses. THe main reason I changed to contacts was that I was sick of having to clean my glasses mid fight when they steamed up. With the nationals being a summer competition now, it was too distracting.

That said, I do occasionally fence in glasses, main thing being not to take mask off upwards, because that digs the nose pieces into your nose.

I have never needed an elastic strap, but the glasses can't really go anywhere in my mask.

Years ago I used to get my glasses steaming up during fights a lot but after greatly improving fitness it doesn't happen any more unless I am unwell or wrecked for another reason.

Muso440
-24th September 2003, 19:27
Originally posted by NLSC Sabreur
Years ago I used to get my glasses steaming up during fights a lot but after greatly improving fitness it doesn't happen any more unless I am unwell or wrecked for another reason.

Good to hear it's not just me who has / had the steamy glasses thing. I never saw any other speccies in my club cleaning their lenses on their t-shirts so I was beginning to get paranoid.

So NSLC, are you saying that they steamed up because you were breathing harder when you were less fit? Mine sometimes steamed up when I was just putting the mask on at the beginning of a bout, so that can't be the only reason...:confused:

Secret Squirrel
-25th September 2003, 08:46
filthy thoughts on the piste?:rolleyes:

Muso440
-25th September 2003, 11:04
:grin:

Actually, I don't think so! There's no-one that fanciable at my fencing club.

NLSC Sabreur
-25th September 2003, 11:14
Originally posted by Muso440
Good to hear it's not just me who has / had the steamy glasses thing. I never saw any other speccies in my club cleaning their lenses on their t-shirts so I was beginning to get paranoid.

So NSLC, are you saying that they steamed up because you were breathing harder when you were less fit? Mine sometimes steamed up when I was just putting the mask on at the beginning of a bout, so that can't be the only reason...:confused:

Less desperate panting = less water vapour inside mask.

In the past I've had the steam up as the mask goes on as well. The problem comes I think from the air current caused by pushing the mask onto your face blowing your outward breathe up and onto your glasses. The solution is not breathe out for the second or two it takes to put your mask on.

Different types of lens, plastic or glass and the coatings may all have some significant effect.

randomsabreur
-25th September 2003, 11:15
Ah well, but in the later stages of the nationals when it is about 30 degrees outside, more in the greenhouse that they call a venue, it is quite normal for your face to be warm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, the trick is getting to the later stages.

Also, by that point, the T-Shirt is also soggy so you have trouble finding something dry to clean your glasses on.

Also a problem when putting on the mask. It's just a question of your breath getting trapped!

Secret Squirrel
-25th September 2003, 11:30
There is a spray - an anti-fog/snot type that you can get, for diving masks and so on in scuba shops. LP sell the spray motorcyclists use to stop their visors fogging up (but to use on the goldfish bowl masks).

Tarmac
-25th September 2003, 14:48
motorbike visor spray's tend to be overprived and ineffective..
a thin layer of dishwashing liquid ususally does the trick much much better:)

Secret Squirrel
-25th September 2003, 14:54
but watch out if you sweat profusely - you'd end up with foam coming out the bottom of your mask bib.
You'd probably have everyone convinced you were rabid or something....;)

Tarmac
-25th September 2003, 14:57
bit late for that really :silly:

ChubbyHubby
-25th September 2003, 15:14
stick a drop of shampoo on the inside of your glasses, spread it evenly, and then wipe it off (don't wash it off) with your T-shirt/cloth.

Leaves a thin film on the lens that reduces surface tension of water vapour condensing on the lens. Your glasses will look wet after fencing but it won't ever steam up.

PS. toothpaste works too, but it's much harder to swipe off!

stevejackson
-25th September 2003, 22:41
Not know if this will help but it's a cheap solution if it works. The scuba comunity spit on the inside of their masks to stop them fogging up. Experiment please and publish the results.

Rdb811
-25th September 2003, 23:27
Wiping the glasses with a cloth helps a bit esp. if you use glasses cleaner - I used to have dreadful problems karting in winter - thee anti-fog linings you can get for motorcycle lids work quite well.

Winwaloe
-29th September 2003, 13:11
did try it a number of years ago but beer kept spilling on the floor and the breeches so was not very practical. You could use a water bottle with a straw!!! - OK well - - Change to contacts. I used to wear specs and always found them a pain at sabre. Apart from the habit of moving around, dropping down and getting very wet and horrible I found my focus was more on the mesh than beyond it. Changed to contacts a hundred years ago and much, much better. Younger son (foil and sabre) also just changed and found 100000000% better -

Crouching Tiger
-29th September 2003, 14:03
As im only slightly short sighted and i don't like the idea of contacts i think i'll just not wear my glasses.
Unless later in life i become so blind as a bat that i walk into the wall and knock myself out! :)

Muso440
-29th September 2003, 19:23
Originally posted by Crouching Tiger
As im only slightly short sighted and i don't like the idea of contacts

So are you just being a big wuss? ;) (not really)

Seriously: I never used to like the idea of contacts, being rather squeamish, but there's really nothing to it. It's a bit freaky for about a day when you first try them, but you'd be surprised at how unproblematic it is.

srb
-29th September 2003, 20:00
I tried contacts for the nationals. Of which both the competion and the contacts were a complete disaster. I ended up with one stuck behind my eyelid for about 12 hours, which was nice. I suffer from dry eyes so I need a plunger or a hammer to get the contacts out of my eyes following a few minutes use. After a couple of weeks trying I finally gave up.

I now always take some glasses cleaning solution to competitions with me. Surely ChubbyHubby's idea would only work if you managed not to touch your lenses throughout the day? When I take my mask of, it often takes the glasses with it, and I always end up getting smudged finger prints on them.

To put my mask on, I put it on normally (top first), then look up and shake my head. This means that the glasses seat proberly on the bridge of my nose.

srb

Muso440
-30th September 2003, 07:10
Originally posted by srb
I tried contacts for the nationals. Of which both the competion and the contacts were a complete disaster. I ended up with one stuck behind my eyelid for about 12 hours, which was nice. I suffer from dry eyes so I need a plunger or a hammer to get the contacts out of my eyes following a few minutes use. After a couple of weeks trying I finally gave up.


Hmph. Okay. I was trying to be reassuring!

Crouching Tiger: most people are not like srb!

Crouching Tiger
-30th September 2003, 07:44
i have heard they do hurt for the first couple of days and then it feels as if you are not even wearing them. i am considering just taking the plunge and getting contacts as it would be easier for a lot of things i do that require glasses but im just too sqeamish!

on a slightly off topic note, i put my mask on chin first..totally useless bit of information there for you!

Winwaloe
-30th September 2003, 08:16
There is NO big deal in wearing contacts. Take my word for it, I was a Sabreur!! - Really contacts are very easy to get used to. They soon settle down, you will not know you have them in and you will see so much better. Go to a specialist and try them out

Gav
-30th September 2003, 09:36
There is no hassle to wearing contacts. My eyesight is so bad without them that tI would not be able to fence. If you find that your contacts ar sliding around a lot consult your optometrist/optician as the fit is probably wrong or that you are wearing the wrong kind of lens [for you].

Twisted_Sabreur
-30th September 2003, 11:30
Just want to agree with the general trend of praising contacts over glasses when fencing.

At least give them a decent try. All the opticians I've seen give you a 1 month trial with contacts for FREE !!!

They save so much hassle that you get with glasses that you've got to give them a shot at the very least.

Muso440
-30th September 2003, 19:50
Originally posted by Crouching Tiger
i have heard they do hurt for the first couple of days and then it feels as if you are not even wearing them. i am considering just taking the plunge and getting contacts as it would be easier for a lot of things i do that require glasses but im just too sqeamish!


Can only agree with what the other people have just said. What are you squeamish about exactly, C. Tiger? If it's the whole touching your eye thing: you really can't feel it, you'll wonder what you felt squeamish about. If it's the going-round-the-back-of-your-eye thing: not a nice thought, I grant you, but it is sooooo rare. Even if it does happen it never goes that far round - you can always see it when you look in the mirror.

If you get soft lenses they almost certainly won't *hurt* as such at all. They might make your eyes tired or dry, but that's as far as it goes. 'Hard' (gas permeable) lenses are a different story, it's like having a large bit of grit in your eye, so don't go anywhere near those.

reposte
-30th September 2003, 20:05
Ok, as a heavy contacts user you should know that there are two different types: Hard and soft. The problems described here are
correspondent to the soft type, since it is virtually impossible for a dry one to go array (go over the eye ball).
To amend the problem of dry eyes use special drops that give moisture to the eye ball. It'll help keep your contacts in place.
the main difference is that the soft type sticks to your eye, where as the hard one uses the eye fluid to mediate between it and the eye.
The hard ones are the healthier, but they are really hard to get used to and while being more stable they are unforgiving if the
lens moves. You'll have to apply the lens anew.
Also, applying lenses for the first time and then going on a major event the day after is not wise what ever you do. You ought to have taken into account that you may have to adjust. you also have to adjust your sense of distance so there you go.

Rdb811
-30th September 2003, 23:07
Three types - gas permeable - which is what I would have to have (although it's close to one of the other types).

Crouching Tiger
-1st October 2003, 08:05
Muso

yeah both, i'm really weird about my eyes and anything touching them but judging by the replies here i might just give them a try.
they certainly would be more practical than glasses for a lot of things.

srb
-1st October 2003, 08:43
Originally posted by Winwaloe
There is NO big deal in wearing contacts.


I tried monthlies, and daily disposables (of more than one make), and the opticians gave me an occular lubricant to try and relieve the problem.

The optician's actually concluded that my eyes weren't suitable for contacts. So I bought some anyway! I was advised that if I did persist and use them for fencing, I should drive to fencing with glasses on, put my contacts in just for fencing, take them out afterwards, and drive home again wearing glasses.

Unless you suffer from dry eyes (which not many people do) you won't appreciate the problem.

srb

Dave Hillier
-1st October 2003, 09:34
Yeah tried wearing contacts, they were great until I got a corneal ulcer. I have had to go back to glasses again.

ChubbyHubby
-1st October 2003, 09:34
Good antifog stuff (seriously!):
http://www.catcrap.com/

reposte
-1st October 2003, 10:27
Unless you suffer from dry eyes (which not many people do)

Correction, a lot of people world wide suffer from it especially in a European climate which is dry by nature.
You should try and move to hard lenses, or soft with eye drop that will solve the problem for you.
I suffer from dry eyes, and contacts only aggravate the problem.
I try and wet my eyes when I apply them, and whenever they're on me for a whole day I usually apply eye drops
sometime during the day.

Gav
-1st October 2003, 10:37
Guys,

I'm not going to get into a big argument about this but , there isn't a problem with dry eyes and soft contact lenses. I do get dry eyes but only when I fall asleep with them in - I sleep with my eyes open!

If anybody on this board needs good advice on the topic may I suggest that they contact their optician.

Twisted_Sabreur
-1st October 2003, 10:50
'contact' their optician,

An apt choice of words Gav - well done !!!

Muso440
-1st October 2003, 18:15
Originally posted by Dave Hillier
Yeah tried wearing contacts, they were great until I got a corneal ulcer.

Bleurgh. Did you get that *because* you wore contacts, or would you have got it anyway?

Dave Hillier
-2nd October 2003, 10:49
The contacts make a good breeding ground for all sorts of nasties, which is why you must always clean them properly. I just got unlucky ( and fell asleep with one of them in when drunk) and got an infection which the contacts made worse. Nothing to do with fencing but I now have a small lump on the surface of my eye which means that contacts won't sit properly on them.

Secret Squirrel
-3rd October 2003, 10:12
and don't ever use spray adhesive when you're wearing them - no, they don't glue to your eye, but somehow it sticks to the lense itself - bye bye lenses... I got through three pairs at college before I realised.

Moose
-7th October 2003, 17:41
As for glasses I've not had a problem wearing mine under my LP sabre mask, just put the mask on chin first and take it off the opposite way.

hayleyjade
-10th February 2004, 19:57
Originally posted by Moose
As for glasses I've not had a problem wearing mine under my LP sabre mask, just put the mask on chin first and take it off the opposite way.
same here, i've never had a problem! my coach wears specs though so i think he taight me hat way from his own experience!

i've stopped wearing contacts to my staurday morning club: forgettign to take them out before going in the shower is not good! you should never do it! lots more nasties!

but my glasses are fine with my lp mask

does anyone else feel strange if they switch between contacts and glasses whilst fencing, twas well wierd for me!

uk_45
-10th February 2004, 20:46
Wow i thought this thread was dead and buried I'd forgoten about it. I must say my new LP mask is alot better (FIE sabre w/contour fit) i think the contour fit makes a big difference i would recomened it to any one with or with out glasses most comfortable thing ever!

gbm
-11th February 2004, 22:21
I had problems with the LP foil mask, but no problems with glasses in the LP foil/epee mask (although I put them on spring-into-back-of-head-while-staring-at-ceiling first). I have a big head and a large (red rivet) mask, though.

Australian
-12th February 2004, 08:45
nice thread ressurection hayleyjade :)

oddball
-12th February 2004, 10:04
the only probs i get with fencing and specs is that they make me look like harry potter. no probs with mask or anything

Jim
-12th February 2004, 15:29
I have had no problems fencing in glasses and have an LP mask. Will have to try the chin first thing though, thanks for the tip.

uk_45
-12th February 2004, 15:42
Originally posted by oddball
the only probs i get with fencing and specs is that they make me look like harry potter. no probs with mask or anything

Well when you are fencing and wearing a mask that isnt a problem is it:tongue:

hayleyjade
-12th February 2004, 16:32
o you fool!

uk_45
-12th February 2004, 16:39
:tongue:
But ya lurve me for it you all do, don't you?

Barry Paul
-13th February 2004, 22:14
Wore spec with heavy frames, worked out that lightweight narrow metal frames were more comfortable. tried contact lenses, gave up after refereeing at a Under twenty epee competition at the Queens club HQ Driunk too much, and waking up in the foot well of Ian Singles Cortina with a lens missing, never bothered wearing them again.

Glasses we perfect, if you were really in need of of rest, your glasses were inevitable steamed up so you would ask the ref permission to wipe the glasses. If if the glasses were not steamed up pulling them of with a wet gloved hand while hold the lens was sure to make them of need of a wipe.

Enless time could then be spent appearing to rush while getting the glasses to fall off as you rushed to obey the referees instruction to fence on.

Today with the refs being more upity with pokets full of cards you might be better with a nice wide see through mask, now you have another chance for a rest when the visor as well as your glasses mist up.

I forgotten now all the top british fencers are almost full time so they are so fit they don't need to rest. As Graham or me very nicely and we might fit a fan in your see thru mask and then you will look cool feel cool and never mist up. Barry Paul

Epeecurean
-14th February 2004, 07:56
Barry, how about the Vision 2000 with perscription glass, obviating the need for contacts or glasses? ;-)

I wear contacts but they have a nasty habit of drying out while I fight.

Hamley
-14th February 2004, 12:43
I used to have glasses, in fencing but they would always fog up and i couldnt see anything. So I didnt use them, then i got contacts and my fencing got noticeably better.

Contacts are a pain in the but 3 times a day, when you put them in, when you take them out, and when you rub your eye and they fall out so you need to put them back in.


Noah

Barry Paul
-14th February 2004, 18:18
Now we are talking serious money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Nor sure what I was on when I write my lsat Psot but I hope you got the drift. Barry Paul

uk_45
-15th February 2004, 13:29
Im guessing it would be hard to do because in the mash it's a plastic not a glass and also the front of a mask is much further away from the face than glasses.

hayleyjade
-15th February 2004, 19:26
Originally posted by uk_45
Im guessing it would be hard to do because in the mash it's a plastic not a glass and also the front of a mask is much further away from the face than glasses.

spoil sport

oddball
-19th February 2004, 16:59
oddball's sneaky underhand fight winning theory( untested)
If you wear really stupid looking glasses + a vision 2000 mask then your opponent will be laughing/distracted so much that you can get the hits easily!

uk_45
-19th February 2004, 17:38
If a wore a vision 2000 mask they'd be laughing any way

hayleyjade
-19th February 2004, 18:30
HAHAHAHAHAHA soz, i couldnt help myself!

PKT
-15th March 2004, 05:39
Originally posted by uk_45
Wow i thought this thread was dead and buried I'd forgoten about it. I must say my new LP mask is alot better (FIE sabre w/contour fit) i think the contour fit makes a big difference i would recomened it to any one with or with out glasses most comfortable thing ever!

i find that the x-change mask has a tighter fit glasseswise than my allstar sabre mask. the frame keeps banging into the inside of the mask...

no one have mentioned fitting your glasses' arms that wrap around the back of your ears. see your optician.

it's best to see your optometrist than your optician for fitting anything with your eyes, if you value your eyes. in canada, people can become an optician with minimal training, hence it is a very didgy "title".

==)----------------

how come no one else uses a proper towel to clean one's glasses.

if your glasses steam up, that's because you're not moving... need i say more?

PK

PKT
-15th March 2004, 05:49
Originally posted by Barry Paul
...Driunk too much, and waking up in the foot well of Ian Singles Cortina with a lens missing, never bothered wearing them again.

Barry Paul

not picking on you, barry.

it seems to me a common complaint about contact lense was that people get drunk and lose one...

d'oh! you know the answer to that:
the problem lies not with the contact; the problem lies with people not knowing their drinking capacity.

me, i got drunk the first time when i was 3+... family had a huge banquet at home and my younger brother - so he just turned 2 and i clean up the remainder of the beer...

got seriously drunk one more time as a result of doing paper-scissors-stone - we were bored, ok? - i lost the first hand: had to drink 4oz of johnny walker black label in one gulp! on an empty stomach!

as clint eastwood's character says, "Man's got to know his limitations.."

PK