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    Hi FIFS. I honestly can't say what happened in...

    Hi FIFS.

    I honestly can't say what happened in Scotland, but in England the new rules, including the paper which I reproduced on post 186 of this thread, was sent to every region. It would not...
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    Leon Paul, the hosts of this forum.

    Leon Paul, the hosts of this forum.
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    Bob was not my chicken. I believe he was...

    Bob was not my chicken. I believe he was introduced by MadFencer, and I merely excercised him from time to time.

    :chicken:
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    with you so far. Completely disagree ...

    with you so far.




    Completely disagree with this bit. I have seen some "self-serving" behaviour, but pleasantly little.
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    I'm going to leave it there Chris. A good...

    I'm going to leave it there Chris. A good natured difference of opinion. :)
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    Posted on behalf of Rochelle Dazeley

    Posted on behalf of Rochelle Dazeley
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    You and I live in different worlds Ron. To me,...

    You and I live in different worlds Ron.

    To me, the regional volunteer (often also a HC volunteer, and almost certainly the back-bone of their club) is typical of the few hundred hyper-engaged...
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    Or alternatively, we could let it carry on...

    Or alternatively, we could let it carry on exactly as it is.

    10 regions for 4 years have run regional qualifiers in 3 weapons. Thats 120 events.

    One of them has ruffled a few feathers and got a...
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    And if you want to go that way, someone needs to...

    And if you want to go that way, someone needs to write a clear set of enforceable rules.

    With respect, and I speak as someone who tried to enforce the old system and spent months thinking through...
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    I reckon you're lawyering me, so I'm going to...

    I reckon you're lawyering me, so I'm going to call my slander and ass your libel off.

    Was that what you had in mind? :)
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    I think that would be an excellent post to leave...

    I think that would be an excellent post to leave this on.

    I wish I had written it.
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    Oh, Ron! I so wish that there were olympic...

    Oh, Ron! I so wish that there were olympic medals in "jumping to conclusions" and "getting the wrong end of th stick". Or even, "building an argument on fallacious foundations".

    You would be a...
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    I have to agree with you there Ron. Stockpiling...

    I have to agree with you there Ron. Stockpiling money is not the best thing for the sport or the fencer.

    Bearing in mind what was happening up the street, its probably just as well that someone...
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    Actually, from most of the country, the response...

    Actually, from most of the country, the response was more - "oh. Is that it then?"

    Around London and SE, no-one liked it because they each thought that their side should have won the arguments...
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    Aww, you girls! :)

    Aww, you girls! :)
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    It was not a causal factor, it was a predicted...

    It was not a causal factor, it was a predicted and welcome consequence.

    This was discussed extensively both at the EF board, and in consultation with the regions around London, including a South...
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    BANG! Just kidding. :) Nothing terrible has...

    BANG! Just kidding. :) Nothing terrible has happened. A few miffed people are having a moan on an internet forum. Situation normal.



    Only if they wanted to demonstrate their complete...
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    The irony of juxtaposing those two paragraphs is...

    The irony of juxtaposing those two paragraphs is startling.

    I don't think anyone would ever accuse me of courting popularity. At least, not with any talent or success! :)
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    Correct in theory, but real life gets in the way....

    Correct in theory, but real life gets in the way.

    I started the Paris trip, with Matt Thompson, Maggie LJ, Ismay and others as a private venture, after taking a few fencers privately.

    Because...
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    At every AGM I ran Ron, we presented the...

    At every AGM I ran Ron, we presented the accounts, and Milind (our FD) was there to take questions.

    I don't recall seeing you there?

    Had you attended, you would have heard me regularly and...
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    I'm so glad that I travelled 100,000 miles and...

    I'm so glad that I travelled 100,000 miles and gave up endless weekends and evenings that I would rather have spent with my family to meet with fencers and attend regional meetings with 6 volunteers...
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    I have never made a secret of my views that BF...

    I have never made a secret of my views that BF and EF should be one organisation,and I dedicated much energy to attempting to affect a merger during my period in the chair at EF.

    However, I...
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    Hi Chris The thread is here...

    Hi Chris

    The thread is here

    Unfortunately, the OP points to a link on the EF site which is broken. I have a pdf version of the linked article in my archives, but the forum upload manager won't...
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    Sorry, I lied. Just to note that we also...

    Sorry, I lied. Just to note that we also negotiated reciprocal rights for other home country fencers who wished to maintain an affiliation with an English region to do so, without compromising their...
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    My point Chris, was that you are claiming that...

    My point Chris, was that you are claiming that this is a fundamental change, and yet you have not noticed any effect! You cant have it both ways!



    Well, all regions were consulted at the time,...
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