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    UK Sport are due to announce National Governing Body funding on Satirday 15th December. What's your best guess for how much BF will get to run its World Class Programme to Rio 2016? Prize for closest guess - a warm round of applause and the respect of your peers.

    I'll start - £2.8 million.
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    £1 million. No money for no medals.

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    A refund on the cost of our funding application?
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    How about an amount commensurate with achievements to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munkey View Post
    UK Sport are due to announce National Governing Body funding on Satirday 15th December. What's your best guess for how much BF will get to run its World Class Programme to Rio 2016? Prize for closest guess - a warm round of applause and the respect of your peers.
    Sean,
    Can I have a prize for pointing out that the UK Sport announcement date has changed and will now be on Tuesday 18th, with Sport England on 17th?
    Graham

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham paul View Post
    Sean,
    Can I have a prize for pointing out that the UK Sport announcement date has changed and will now be on Tuesday 18th, with Sport England on 17th?
    Graham
    Thank you Graham. You get the warm round of applause at the moment, the other bit depends on how wisely you and the rest of the BF Board spend the money ;-)
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    Forgive my ignorance but doesn't the pot of money stay the same? Or was that the overall UK Sport pot for all sports up until 2016?

    Plus Graham, thats called insider knowledge...! :P

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    Can I point out that the funding bodies' view of BF success or otherwise is based on very different criteria to that of many readers of this forum.

    We were not predicted any medals and we did not get any. We had two teams make L8 and they actually had to beat someone to get there.

    The selection arguments are peripheral, many sports had those.

    What will matter is whether the funders are convinced that we have evidence of the talent on a pathway to succeed in reaching agree targets in 2016 and whether they believe we have the systems, processes and governance to allow them to get there.

    I may be made to eat my words, but I think that Alex is good at playing that game. Let's hope for a good outcome. At that point we can start to know where the plans can go and what money we have to play with running up to Rio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBennett View Post
    Forgive my ignorance but doesn't the pot of money stay the same? Or was that the overall UK Sport pot for all sports up until 2016?

    Plus Graham, thats called insider knowledge...! :P
    I think it was the overall pot, how that is split depends on the submissions sports were making over the past few weeks.
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    Ah fair enough..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foilling Around View Post
    Can I point out that the funding bodies' view of BF success or otherwise is based on very different criteria to that of many readers of this forum.

    We were not predicted any medals and we did not get any. We had two teams make L8 and they actually had to beat someone to get there.

    The selection arguments are peripheral, many sports had those.

    What will matter is whether the funders are convinced that we have evidence of the talent on a pathway to succeed in reaching agree targets in 2016 and whether they believe we have the systems, processes and governance to allow them to get there.

    I may be made to eat my words, but I think that Alex is good at playing that game. Let's hope for a good outcome. At that point we can start to know where the plans can go and what money we have to play with running up to Rio.
    Paul,
    You have summed up the situation very accurately.
    Graham

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    Yes the overall pot remains the same however there are several sports that are unlikely to receive the funding they did in the run-up to 2012 where they had the home nations places to guarantee their participation and they are considered extremely unlikely to qualify for Rio, such as handball, basketball, volleyball. This was the basis for my guess at what we might receive.
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    Can we from now on refer to the allocation as multiples of "N", where N has a value of £181,211 (allocated to external consultancy in the 2011/2012 accounts)? So £1M would be 5.5N. Just to get some context, you understand.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hokers View Post
    Can we from now on refer to the allocation as multiples of "N", where N has a value of £181,211 (allocated to external consultancy in the 2011/2012 accounts)? So £1M would be 5.5N. Just to get some context, you understand.


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    Hokers,

    You must have a different set of accounts to my version, which has £181,211 labelled as 'Consultant costs' . This sum included costs of the coaches employed by BF, and some part time staff, such as the National Academy manager. The total does not seem too extreme to me.

    Graham

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    I would be very surprised if Coaches were included in this item. Certainly not ZW and MW who would either be
    included in WCP costs or as employees of BFA. So the question is which coaches are included in this figure.

    Personally I disagree with you. I think that the overall costs of consultants and salaries were disproportionately
    high in last financial year when you look at overall revenues received by sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Velden View Post
    Graham Paul

    I would be very surprised if Coaches were included in this item. Certainly not ZW and MW who would either be
    included in WCP costs or as employees of BFA. So the question is which coaches are included in this figure.

    Personally I disagree with you. I think that the overall costs of consultants and salaries were disproportionately
    high in last financial year when you look at overall revenues received by sport.
    Surely that depends on who the consultants were, how many, and what they did!

    Without a detailed breakdown (which I have no idea if it is available or not) any speculation on these costs being excessive is purely that, speculation.
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    Ron,

    You are putting words into my mouth, I have not commented on whether overall costs were reasonable. I was pointing out that the Hokers claim that £181k was spent on external consultants was not supported by the published accounts.

    Graham

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    John L

    I don't think so. There was considerable concern about how money was spent last year including by some of the
    people who are now sitting on Board and I suspect also by interim CEO who has conducted a review of the BFAs
    Funding and Budgeting arrangements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald Velden View Post
    John L

    I don't think so. There was considerable concern about how money was spent last year including by some of the
    people who are now sitting on Board and I suspect also by interim CEO who has conducted a review of the BFAs
    Funding and Budgeting arrangements.
    Sorry Ron

    While, like you, I may have concerns I am also prepared to trust the new guys who were voted in to represent fencers interests to look at the expenditure. I have no doubt they will have the details available to them to allow an accurate assessment to be made as to whether the expediture was reasonable or excessive based on facts.

    Until then, as highlighted in your post, your analysis and concerns are speculative rather than based on facts.
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    I think we will do quite well and Alex will run international programme through to Rio.

    What is crucial is the programme is then run well, as we have no soft places this time round and so funding will probably be very narrowly focused.

    In real terms since Gold and Grow were started they have not succeeded. I would be very pleased to see them do so by Rio.

    What will be interesting will be Board role as UKS will not want Board involved in international performance and so it will be run by Alex and her team.

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