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    I'm sure it's been asked before BUT how does one calculate or assign a NIF value to a fencer ? I mean who or what determines the strength of a fencer. In lay man terms please.

    I appreciate (sure all of us feel the same gratitude) how Dan had simplified the strength of an event on his epee.me site at a simple click of a couple of buttons.

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    Youth NIF is described on page 4 of this document;

    http://francisfencing.org.uk/wroclaw...rips2017v1.pdf

    Eleanor has a NIF of 4 from her 3rd place finish at the BYCs. She'll have this until next years BYCs as there is no NIF for u11 EYCs. At the LPJS Scotland event, there was only one other girl in the u13s with a NIF (Ellie Jackson from her 10th place at BYCs giving her a NIF of 1). The remaining fencers have a NIF of 0.25 - so;

    Eleanor - 4
    Ellie - 1
    Others - 0.25 * 5

    Total NIF for event = 6.25

    That value is then applied to the place multipliers to give you ranking points as per page 5 of the document above.

    It gets slightly more complex as they get older - but in essence NIF comes from placing top 16 at the BYCs/EYCs and/or ranking in the top 20 cadets.

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    http://www.britishfencing.com/upload...me_2015-16.pdf

    the variations for Junior and Cadet are on their selection & rankings pages
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    Quote Originally Posted by danKew View Post
    Youth NIF is described on page 4 of this document;

    http://francisfencing.org.uk/wroclaw...rips2017v1.pdf

    Eleanor has a NIF of 4 from her 3rd place finish at the BYCs. She'll have this until next years BYCs as there is no NIF for u11 EYCs. At the LPJS Scotland event, there was only one other girl in the u13s with a NIF (Ellie Jackson from her 10th place at BYCs giving her a NIF of 1). The remaining fencers have a NIF of 0.25 - so;

    Eleanor - 4
    Ellie - 1
    Others - 0.25 * 5

    Total NIF for event = 6.25

    That value is then applied to the place multipliers to give you ranking points as per page 5 of the document above.

    It gets slightly more complex as they get older - but in essence NIF comes from placing top 16 at the BYCs/EYCs and/or ranking in the top 20 cadets.
    So NIF are essentially awarded to only to BYCs / EYCs under 13 or over events. Thanks but I like your easy click buttons Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyranna's Father View Post
    http://www.britishfencing.com/upload...me_2015-16.pdf

    the variations for Junior and Cadet are on their selection & rankings pages
    ;

    Thanks I especially like the definition of a Senior is anyone over 13 taken in context

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    NIF for Senior Rankings. Men's Foil as an example

    Take the Ranking on 01 September of each season.
    Places 1-10 are 10 NIF
    Places 11-30 are 6 NIF
    Places 31-60 are 3 NIF
    Places 61-150 are 1 NIF

    For every event between September and February. You look at the entry and add up the NIF for each fencer to get a total.

    On 01 March. The NIFs are reset to account for the fact that form and the people fencing changes during the year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foilling Around View Post
    NIF for Senior Rankings. Men's Foil as an example

    Take the Ranking on 01 September of each season.
    Places 1-10 are 10 NIF
    Places 11-30 are 6 NIF
    Places 31-60 are 3 NIF
    Places 61-150 are 1 NIF

    For every event between September and February. You look at the entry and add up the NIF for each fencer to get a total.

    On 01 March. The NIFs are reset to account for the fact that form and the people fencing changes during the year.
    Paul. Is this the same for all weapons or just Foil? I am trying to calculate the NIF for the RAF Open 19. I think I have the Men's Sabre using your calculation at 27.

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    from the rankings policy document (http://britishfencing.com/uploads/fi...7-18_v2.02.pdf)

    The ranking range used for each weapon is set to reflect the number of members on the ranking list
    and strength of the weapon.
    NIF ME MF MS WE WF WS
    10 1-10 1-10 1-5 1-5 1-5 1-5
    6 11-35 11-35 6-15 6-15 6-15 6-10
    3 36-70 36-70 16-30 16-30 16-30 11-20
    1 71-175 71-175 31-75 31-75 31-75 21-50

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    Iíve created a python script to calculate the NIF of an event (foil at the moment) based on the results of anyone wants a go with it? Itís quite cool (I think!)

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