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    There is a lot of “luck” in university fencing.

    Luck in having one or two world class juniors turn up at freshers.

    Luck in having a university that includes athletic clubs in the admissions process.

    Luck in having facilities, coaches, grants etc that can attract higher level fencers.

    Or indeed lucky enough to join a fencer programme at y1 that will help them become strong team players by Y3/4.

    For a coach, the bottom line is that you have to work with what you get at the beginning of each academic year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plenty View Post
    Hello nick, cesh, thank you S.A.D

    I don't have fixed proposals - it's more w.i.p

    For example ; as our sport can be characterised as extremely technical and tactical it can be said that these elements ennable women and men to compete quite evenly, as, our sport doesn't rely in %terms so much on physical attributes / athleticism : mixed teams I think are a good idea to consider ! This would also help smooth out the promotion and oscillation between leagues annually : or it could be part of different format / new format

    Regional single weapon mixed team events leading to annual event !
    'Regional single weapon mixed team events leading to annual event', Why don't you organise it and hire halls etc, invite the London Unis to attend and take the risk on your own suggestion, but separately to the current set up and if it works you will have a group of influential universities supporting your proposal going forward.

    If you had started the thread with 'I don't have any fixed proposals but feel that the current set up has some issues (listed), does anyone have any ideas how BUCs fencing could be adapted to improve things' I suspect you would have had people come in with ideas to be discussed and debated or others saying they really like the current set up, but subtle changes could improve it.

    To annually suggest the same 'unworkable' option and expect not to get shot down every year is pretty naive.
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    So-

    same time next year then everyone?

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    I feel like I'm going to regret reviving this thread in any way but here goes...

    from what I've read, Plenty believes that BUCS fencing is broken beyond repair. Cesh et al believe that BUCS fencing is kinda alright.
    As far as I can tell nobody is saying that BUCS fencing is perfect...
    I understand many of the respondents on this thread disagree with Plentys assessment, and disagree with his proposed approach to improving the situation.

    This being said as a couple of questions to all who have battled through the debate before;

    Assuming that BUCS fencing isn't perfect.
    -What do you think would improve it?
    -Also what have you managed to do successfully in BUCS in the past few years that other clubs could try, in order to either a)increase participation in the sport of fencing or b)retain fencers in the sport when they go to Uni?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavski View Post
    So-

    same time next year then everyone?
    So accurate.

    *Round of applause*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I feel like I'm going to regret reviving this thread in any way but here goes...

    from what I've read, Plenty believes that BUCS fencing is broken beyond repair. Cesh et al believe that BUCS fencing is kinda alright.
    As far as I can tell nobody is saying that BUCS fencing is perfect...
    I understand many of the respondents on this thread disagree with Plentys assessment, and disagree with his proposed approach to improving the situation.

    This being said as a couple of questions to all who have battled through the debate before;

    Assuming that BUCS fencing isn't perfect.
    -What do you think would improve it?
    -Also what have you managed to do successfully in BUCS in the past few years that other clubs could try, in order to either a)increase participation in the sport of fencing or b)retain fencers in the sport when they go to Uni?
    The BUCS fencing programme is the largest functioning competitive fencing league in the UK. It self funds, it attracts new competitors and it distributes competition throughout the country.

    The organisers of BUCS have done a far better job in creating a national fencing infrastructure than have our friends in the BFA as such we should probably look to take notes from it rather than criticising it.

    Nothing is without problem but the BUCS fencing ecosystem is comparably top notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FencingMove View Post
    The BUCS fencing programme is the largest functioning competitive fencing league in the UK. It self funds, it attracts new competitors and it distributes competition throughout the country.

    The organisers of BUCS have done a far better job in creating a national fencing infrastructure than have our friends in the BFA as such we should probably look to take notes from it rather than criticising it.

    Nothing is without problem but the BUCS fencing ecosystem is comparably top notch.
    Interesting perspective, didn't answer either of my questions though

    Assuming that BUCS fencing isn't perfect.
    -What do you think would improve it?
    -Also what have you managed to do successfully in BUCS in the past few years that other clubs could try, in order to either a)increase participation in the sport of fencing or b)retain fencers in the sport when they go to Uni?



    Jason Nesmith : You WILL go out there.
    Alexander Dane : I won't and nothing you say will make me.
    Jason Nesmith : The show must go on.
    Alexander Dane : ...Damn you.

    Next Competition:t.b.d.

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